Match Day Thread Leeds Utd v Preston North End

[LeedsLover]

I am one of Wood's biggest critics but I think he should start, like the guy said on Sky at least he is getting chances and putting himself in the right positions.

He also said (Baird) Wood gets himself into position, but position to miss.......

I personally can't see point in starting a striker that doesn't strike, or worry the keeper, or takes multiple shots, or can't head the ball in right direction........tell me again why they call Wood a striker...................does he light everybody's ***s or something......

 

[Eireleeds1]

He also said (Baird) Wood gets himself into position, but position to miss.......

I personally can't see point in starting a striker that doesn't strike, or worry the keeper, or takes multiple shots, or can't head the ball in right direction........tell me again why they call Wood a striker...................does he light everybody's ***s or something......

That's what morrissons cv read like too. Didn't stop him playing last season

 

[ristac]

He also said (Baird) Wood gets himself into position, but position to miss.......

I personally can't see point in starting a striker that doesn't strike, or worry the keeper, or takes multiple shots, or can't head the ball in right direction........tell me again why they call Wood a striker...................does he light everybody's ***s or something......

We don't know what Erwin is like, Rosler loaned him out, Evans used Doukara ahead of him (to good effect all be it one game) so it leaves us Antenucci or Wood. Antenucci looks busier but Wood attracts attention, his movement off the ball was quite good. Antenucci is also more greedy, more long range shots or one too many dribbles when he could pass.

I don't see we have much option but to use Wood, I would love to see us sign a prolific goal scorer but until we do we have to use either Wood and Antenucci or one on there own.

If both of them played every game this season neither would bag 20 and 17-18 might be a struggle. I warmed to Wood a bit on Thursday but he needs to start scoring.

I don't mind the idea of 4-5-1 and switching if we need to, starting 4-4-2 with Antenucci and Wood just hasn't been working. If you knock Wood then you have to also knock Antenucci

http://www.squawka.com/players/chri...eason-2015/2016#166#all-matches#1-21#by-match

http://www.squawka.com/players/mirc...eason-2015/2016#166#all-matches#1-21#by-match

Just for comparison, not proving any points

 

[Whitejock]

I wonder if other clubs have as many ex. Players scoring week in week out. If not why us?
Not suggesting they would score for us or we should have kept them.... Just curious( is that allowed sir ?)

LOL. Had my kip now & a bit more receptive. I see what you mean now. Probably down to the number of players we've shipped over the last few years.

 

[Leedsoflondon]

He also said (Baird) Wood gets himself into position, but position to miss.......

I personally can't see point in starting a striker that doesn't strike, or worry the keeper, or takes multiple shots, or can't head the ball in right direction........tell me again why they call Wood a striker...................does he light everybody's ***s or something......

Evenings LL. Have to confess that from admittedly limited time I've seen him, I'm not a fan of Antenucci, from what I've seen he'll never be prolific, doesn't get into the positions that Wood does to even give him a chance of scoring, take on rediculous pot shots when a pass is on. Think we need better than both to be honest.

 

[themaclad]

We'll come for a point and try and catch you on the break with our ultra speedy forwards (being ironic with the last bit)

 

[Eireleeds1]

Evenings LL. Have to confess that from admittedly limited time I've seen him, I'm not a fan of Antenucci, from what I've seen he'll never be prolific, doesn't get into the positions that Wood does to even give him a chance of scoring, take on rediculous pot shots when a pass is on. Think we need better than both to be honest.

Worth remembering though Wood and Antenucci cost very little as proper strikers go. I think you really get what you pay for in the striker department. Even at our level six or seven million would be required for a top Championship one. Were a million miles from being in that bracket and Cellino will never sanction that level of striker while were in this division

 

[davy]

Watching Scum getting beat at Old Toilet on MOTD - bet Howson isn't doing the dishes at his Ma's this Christmas.

 

[Millwallsteve]

Watching Scum getting beat at Old Toilet on MOTD - bet Howson isn't doing the dishes at his Ma's this Christmas.

Watched it as well Dave and LVG is now toast with Jose to replace him.

 

[davy]

Watched it as well Dave and LVG is now toast with Jose to replace him.

Think you're right Steve. Annoyingly, I'll be interested to see how that pans out, can't help myself.

 

[LeedsLover]

We don't know what Erwin is like, Rosler loaned him out, Evans used Doukara ahead of him (to good effect all be it one game) so it leaves us Antenucci or Wood. Antenucci looks busier but Wood attracts attention, his movement off the ball was quite good. Antenucci is also more greedy, more long range shots or one too many dribbles when he could pass.

I don't see we have much option but to use Wood, I would love to see us sign a prolific goal scorer but until we do we have to use either Wood and Antenucci or one on there own.

If both of them played every game this season neither would bag 20 and 17-18 might be a struggle. I warmed to Wood a bit on Thursday but he needs to start scoring.

I don't mind the idea of 4-5-1 and switching if we need to, starting 4-4-2 with Antenucci and Wood just hasn't been working. If you knock Wood then you have to also knock Antenucci

http://www.squawka.com/players/chri...eason-2015/2016#166#all-matches#1-21#by-match

http://www.squawka.com/players/mirc...eason-2015/2016#166#all-matches#1-21#by-match

Just for comparison, not proving any points

...........................ooooooooooooooo you big fibber............................just kidding..

Both yours and LoL's opinions are respected, as always.

When you look at Antenucci, or should I say when I look at Antenucci.. he's a busy player, he gets around the pitch, always looking for space and positions to score, he has skill and can get around defenders, is not scare to try long shots and, by the looks of things can run faster than Wood; commentators say similar things about him.

Being greedy, I don't think he's that greedy but sometimes he can be when he's eager to shoot and/score, but so are a lot of strikers occasionally; it's their bread and butter so to speak. I personally would prefer a striker who's slightly greedy and shows intent to put the effort in than someone who's always looking like a nomad; tbh, we are certainly in need of more long range shooters as our efforts on goal are dismal, which shows up the regular lone strikers (Sharp, Morison and Wood)

Hocks had the players playing football, both Antenucci and Duke were scoring regularly (we had a few players (midfield) who knew how to make through passes back then), Redders become caretaker and we had that 4 game run, 3 wins and 1 draw, which I think Hocks would've had if he stayed.

Then Darko come along, Redders started tinkering with the formation, so did Rosler and Antenucci didn't get as much game time for various reasons which I won't go into. We've never been prolific with a lone striker and tbh, the results are nothing to tell your grandad about.

Many fans were saying Morison should play/start cos he holds the ball up well and brings other players into game, but he was a striker who couldn't score with 10 foot magnifying glasses on (another barn door Billy) and we need strikers to score goals. When you read posts on here and in other media, same last season, fans were saying we need a prolific striker/goal scorer, which tells me Wood, Morison and Sharp aren't it. When Morison left, most, if not everyone was glad to see back of him, a big turn around in opinion.

I respect everyone has their own personal preferences, but since Redders took over, untill present day Antenucci has been limited to his game time, but most keep talking about needing a prolific goal/scorer, need more shots on target and need more goals, something that has/is being said while Morison, Sharp and Wood have been the main strikers; it's been a continual ongoing problem.

A similar problem, maybe, Duke was scoruing regularly and playing well when he first come to Leeds, again, Darko, Redders and Rosler had their stints and Duke was out. Evans brought Duke on against Wolves, we reverted to 4-4-2 and Duke completely turned the game around in our favour, granted he has to keep his performances up though, but it shows what changes can bring; bring on Sloth and Bianci, will our midfield be a lot stronger and impact orientated, only time can tell.

I'd like to see Antenucci and Duke back as our main strike partnership to see if there's a difference in our play and performances.

Wood reminds me of Sharp, not much impact, does very little but pops up with a goal once in a while, so does Mowatt. Wood doesn't do much with the ball when he gets it, can't get away from his man and has a slow brain for a striker. Woods goals are, 2 penalties, 1 long range shot and 4 tap ins in 21 games (20 started) should be way more; penalties aside, he has the same number of goals as Antenucci, but Wood has 20 starts.

Again, respecting everyone's opinion on opta stats, looking at them we see a keeper and 5 defenders in front of Wood. Given Antenucci's game time/minutes played per match this season thus far, I think it's fair to say his stats score ain't bad.

Not sure if everyone's aware, if you look on the opta stats, there's a orange, green and red bar representing the number of games a player has played, a cross for dnp. Run your cursor over each square/game and it'll bring up the performance score and minutes played.

Wood has 162 ps for 20 games = 8.5 avg per game, and penalties aside, scores 1 goal in every 4 games; is that really good enough, or does it tell us something......

 

[Whitejock]

...........................ooooooooooooooo you big fibber............................just kidding..

Both yours and LoL's opinions are respected, as always.

When you look at Antenucci, or should I say when I look at Antenucci.. he's a busy player, he gets around the pitch, always looking for space and positions to score, he has skill and can get around defenders, is not scare to try long shots and, by the looks of things can run faster than Wood; commentators say similar things about him.

Being greedy, I don't think he's that greedy but sometimes he can be when he's eager to shoot and/score, but so are a lot of strikers occasionally; it's their bread and butter so to speak. I personally would prefer a striker who's slightly greedy and shows intent to put the effort in than someone who's always looking like a nomad; tbh, we are certainly in need of more long range shooters as our efforts on goal are dismal, which shows up the regular lone strikers (Sharp, Morison and Wood)

Hocks had the players playing football, both Antenucci and Duke were scoring regularly (we had a few players (midfield) who knew how to make through passes back then), Redders become caretaker and we had that 4 game run, 3 wins and 1 draw, which I think Hocks would've had if he stayed.

Then Darko come along, Redders started tinkering with the formation, so did Rosler and Antenucci didn't get as much game time for various reasons which I won't go into. We've never been prolific with a lone striker and tbh, the results are nothing to tell your grandad about.

Many fans were saying Morison should play/start cos he holds the ball up well and brings other players into game, but he was a striker who couldn't score with 10 foot magnifying glasses on (another barn door Billy) and we need strikers to score goals. When you read posts on here and in other media, same last season, fans were saying we need a prolific striker/goal scorer, which tells me Wood, Morison and Sharp aren't it. When Morison left, most, if not everyone was glad to see back of him, a big turn around in opinion.

I respect everyone has their own personal preferences, but since Redders took over, untill present day Antenucci has been limited to his game time, but most keep talking about needing a prolific goal/scorer, need more shots on target and need more goals, something that has/is being said while Morison, Sharp and Wood have been the main strikers; it's been a continual ongoing problem.

A similar problem, maybe, Duke was scoruing regularly and playing well when he first come to Leeds, again, Darko, Redders and Rosler had their stints and Duke was out. Evans brought Duke on against Wolves, we reverted to 4-4-2 and Duke completely turned the game around in our favour, granted he has to keep his performances up though, but it shows what changes can bring; bring on Sloth and Bianci, will our midfield be a lot stronger and impact orientated, only time can tell.

I'd like to see Antenucci and Duke back as our main strike partnership to see if there's a difference in our play and performances.

Wood reminds me of Sharp, not much impact, does very little but pops up with a goal once in a while, so does Mowatt. Wood doesn't do much with the ball when he gets it, can't get away from his man and has a slow brain for a striker. Woods goals are, 2 penalties, 1 long range shot and 4 tap ins in 21 games (20 started) should be way more; penalties aside, he has the same number of goals as Antenucci, but Wood has 20 starts.

Again, respecting everyone's opinion on opta stats, looking at them we see a keeper and 5 defenders in front of Wood. Given Antenucci's game time/minutes played per match this season thus far, I think it's fair to say his stats score ain't bad.

Not sure if everyone's aware, if you look on the opta stats, there's a orange, green and red bar representing the number of games a player has played, a cross for dnp. Run your cursor over each square/game and it'll bring up the performance score and minutes played.

Wood has 162 ps for 20 games = 8.5 avg per game, and penalties aside, scores 1 goal in every 4 games; is that really good enough, or does it tell us something......

So last week you were advocating playing Antenucci as a lone striker instead of Wood, even though he's never scored for us as a lone striker (publicly confirmed by Andrew Dalton, Leeds United's offcial statistician).

Now this week it's Antenucci paired with Doukara. A bit of a change of heart, eh? Instead of the Great White Hope, it's the Black & White Minstrel Show! Tell me this - who's going to win the headers & challenge for all the punts up the park? Both have a track record of being absolutely awful in the air. I tink Doukara has won 3 headers since he came to us. Dont think Antenucci has even challenged for 3!

And if you're so keen on Opta Stats, compare like for like. Most of Wood's appearances have been as lone striker. Revisit the stats you presented and compare both only based on their 4-4-2 appearences. It's only fair to compare like for like. No point in doing the lone strker comparison, as we all already know the outcome.

 

[LeedsLover]

So last week you were advocating playing Antenucci as a lone striker instead of Wood, even though he's never scored for us as a lone striker (publicly confirmed by Andrew Dalton, Leeds United's offcial statistician).

Now this week it's Antenucci paired with Doukara. A bit of a change of heart, eh? Instead of the Great White Hope, it's the Black & White Minstrel Show! Tell me this - who's going to win the headers & challenge for all the punts up the park? Both have a track record of being absolutely awful in the air. I tink Doukara has won 3 headers since he came to us. Dont think Antenucci has even challenged for 3!

And if you're so keen on Opta Stats, compare like for like. Most of Wood's appearances have been as lone striker. Revisit the stats you presented and compare both only based on their 4-4-2 appearences. It's only fair to compare like for like. No point in doing the lone strker comparison, as we all already know the outcome.

Jock, with respects, leave the old ground alone.

I gave an opinion on Antenucci and Duke based on their performances under Hock, when both were scoring goals.

I gave an opinion on the stats because Ristac included them in a reply to my previous post.

Like for like as you put it Jock doesn't really matter, point is, in any formation Wood has played, he's not a prolific goal scorer.

As for headers, if Wood is so good with his head, how many has he scored with it? or do you count missed headers as being a skill; while Wood's playing, who's going to take the long shots and score goals from outside the 6 yard box?

We can go round and round in circles with questions Jock, I wrote my opinions, not yours......

 

[Whitejock]

Jock, with respects, leave the old ground alone.

I gave an opinion on Antenucci and Duke based on their performances under Hock, when both were scoring goals.

I gave an opinion on the stats because Ristac included them in a reply to my previous post.

Like for like as you put it Jock doesn't really matter, point is, in any formation Wood has played, he's not a prolific goal scorer.

As for headers, if Wood is so good with his head, how many has he scored with it? or do you count missed headers as being a skill; while Wood's playing, who's going to take the long shots and score goals from outside the 6 yard box?

We can go round and round in circles with questions Jock, I wrote my opinions, not yours......

I'll leave the 'old ground' alone if you admit that you were spouting bull and made it up.

So you're now telling me that you would select Ant & Duke on the basis of games played 15 months ago under Hock? Hock was in charge for 6 games. We won 1 of 4 in the Championship, and 1 of 2 in the League Cup. We scored 5. Doukara scored one of them. Ant scored zero. And this makes them more prolific than Wood? Are you serious?

As for heading, you do more than score goals with your head. It's very useful in defending set pieces, for example. It's most often useful winning crosses or high balls knocked forward, to either hold or lay off.

Finally, Wood has a rocket of a shot on him, and is capable of scoring long range.

 

[Infidel]

Watched it as well Dave and LVG is now toast with Jose to replace him.

Heyup Stevie
With all due respect Steve, you are out of order!! LVG must stay.....i shall miss seeing that face that represents a well smacked arse

 

[Lion of Brisbane]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL.

Mango?[/QUOTE]
Better taste than man-come (so they tell me)

 

[LeedsLover]

I'll leave the 'old ground' alone if you admit that you were spouting bull and made it up.

You have 2 chances, a dogs chance and no chance......

So you're now telling me that you would select Ant & Duke on the basis of games played 15 months ago under Hock? Hock was in charge for 6 games. We won 1 of 4 in the Championship, and 1 of 2 in the League Cup. We scored 5. Doukara scored one of them. Ant scored zero. And this makes them more prolific than Wood? Are you serious?

I believe I did say that, TWICE , are you hard of hearing, have a problem reading english, or would you prefer it in brail, but I can send pictures if it's your preference.

As for heading, you do more than score goals with your head. It's very useful in defending set pieces, for example. It's most often useful winning crosses or high balls knocked forward, to either hold or lay off.

"As for heading, you do more than score goals with your head". Nice to see you've caught up with the game at long last...congratulations..

"It's very useful in defending set pieces" you lost me again, which end of pitch are we this time?

"It's most often useful winning crosses or high balls knocked forward, to either hold or lay off" mmmmm, which is it, winning crosses or high balls knocked forward (bad english), or hold and lay off?

"Hock was in charge for 6 games. We won 1 of 4 in the Championship, and 1 of 2 in the League Cup. We scored 5. Doukara scored one of them. Ant scored zero" happy too concede on this one, my apologies to all, I was getting my games mixed up. Ant wasn't signed till the 20th August, played his first game on 23rd and scored in his 4th and 5th games.

You had to look up the stats though Jock, you weren't sure yourself, you were obfuscating again weren't you, you naughty boy.

Before you go tearing that one apart jock, I have mentioned a few times I'm not infallable, I do make mistakes like any one else, and also happy to concede/apologise when I'm wrong; care to join the club, or shall we rename you W Jonty.

"And this makes them more prolific than Wood? Are you serious?" yes, and absolutely, irrespective of my conceding to when Antenucci started.

Finally, Wood has a rocket of a shot on him, and is capable of scoring long range.

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This is me imitating you, "Wood has a rocket of a shot on him and is capable of scoring long range" when, and this makes him a better shooter than Antenucci, c'mon Jock, are you serious, what are you on? next you'll be saying his shot is better, and more lethal than Mowatts, when Mowatt gets it together of course.

Wood is 24 yrs old and Leeds are his 9th club, most of his career has been spent out on loan from his parent club/s, what part of the word prolific fits into those stats?

Here's my prediction, unless Wood wakes up, which could happen, in 2016/17, fans will eventually be calling for him to be replaced, if Evans doesn't drop him first....

I still love ya Jonty, errm sorry, Jock, gis a kiss...

 

[w.c.dukenfieldesq]

Two things connect Jamie Vardy and Chris Wood, lightening pace and confidence, Vardy has them and Wood lacks them. Today that will change, Chris Wood will score two goals against Preston this will restore his confidence and he will go on to double his seasons goal tally within the next six to seven games. If I am right remember this prediction was made long before kick off. Good luck Chris you can do it think positive. If I'm wrong don't blame me he's the one that should be scoring the goals. Sincere best wishes to all good luck and good health for Christmas and the new year.

 

[BoggersMOT]

Worth remembering though Wood and Antenucci cost very little as proper strikers go. I think you really get what you pay for in the striker department. Even at our level six or seven million would be required for a top Championship one. Were a million miles from being in that bracket and Cellino will never sanction that level of striker while were in this division

Morning all. Depends on where you get strikers from. How much did Beckford cost us and Vardy cost Leicester? Not much in each case

 

[Eireleeds1]

Morning all. Depends on where you get strikers from. How much did Beckford cost us and Vardy cost Leicester? Not much in each case

True, there are always exceptions but with no scouting system, whats our chances of finding another Beckford. More importantly, how many Johnny averages do we go through before finding him and if we do, we have to keep them. We had a top striker in Ross, still banging them in for a poor team, and we didnt have the resources to keep him. Vardy unfortunately likely wont be with Leicester next season for similar reasons