Right a few of us have mentioned this fleetingly in the past but i thought id make a proper thread about it who goes and stays? What would be your plan foing forwards? 1. Most importantly i'm taking what ive said and believed about jose back: he's weak, and should go. Im all for trusting players but when fabregas etc come and take the piss it goes to far. He has not significantly changed personel (i.e. why hasnt rlc etc been given a go?) Or tactics or his general approach to matches (i.e. going out to score goals and entertain us). These are things that are costing us and that are down to him. He's indulged costa far too long, and as a result we have 2 strikers who arent match fit ...(traore and remy) and have no match confidence due to not being given opportunoties. As a result of this they arent trusted so dont get games! Its a self fulfilling prophesy. The less said about the political vanity signing of falcao the better. He has his untouchables which is infuriating. When he needs to change things i.e. yesterday he does it too late and with little conviction, players like oscar/rlc/even ****ing mikel must be tearing their hair out-he should be playing where fabregas is. He knows it, fabregas knows it, we all do it cant be good for team morale or for cescs motivation knowing he'll play regardless. 2. Costa needs to go for obvious reasons. Hes starting tp look like a 3 season wonder, even if not i have little patience for players who just dont try. Hazard has 1 season left for me. I dont see an awful lot in him anymore. What is he actually good at? He doesnt score goals, not a great crosser, not strong or quick. Hes a wonderful man to watch mind but wordclass in the sense of neymar??? Not a chance. Fabregas. Gone. Oscar. Gone. Falcao. Gone in january please. Emenalo gone for our poor planning and transfer dealing. Put steve holland in charge, give him carte blanche to change the team/play youngsters. Move jose upstairs intp emenalos position. Hopefully at least some of thos happens. This is painful to watch.
I'm really not sure. A lot of these players are playing badly but are obviously talented. A new manager may get a different tune out of them. The worry is that there are too many disappearing now the going's getting tough. My worry for Jose is that there are far too many talented players who are young enough to still have a long term future with us. If he can't get them performing then it'll be a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to get rid of him then half the squad! Costa, Oscar, Fabregas, Hazard, Matic are all world class at the top of their game and all still in their 20's. A few thoughts really spring to mind at the moment therefore: - - Whilst I don't want Jose to go, it may be the only option as the players are worth a lot more to the club and it's really starting to look like he won't be able to turn them all around. - Title has gone, top 4 probably gone, Europa barely worth going into. Therefore as long as we can stay out of a relegation fight (and that could suddenly creep up on us if we're not careful) I think we may need to use the rest of the season to plan for next year. That means deciding on Jose now. If he is to stay he needs to start bringing through and trusting the next gen, the likes of RLC and Kenedy. I'm not saying they should be starting for definite next year but they need more experience so are more useful to us when called on. Not just getting league cup cameos. - The style of football needs to be improved. For all our dominance in the second half Saturday, how many chances did we actually create? Far too little against an average side at home.
Pretty much agree with all of this. In the summer we need a new midfielder, a new striker and a new CB. ie a new Spine. Terry is done, Falcao is done, Fabregas is on my last nerve. Keep Oscar, Willian and Hazard if possible. Also keep Zouma and Cahill. Move RLC and Kenedy to the main squad. Sell Ake....he has been out on loan long enough, and has played 3 times for Watford. If he cannot get a regular spot in the Watford first XI, what hope does he have at Chelsea? Would probably like to see Costa gone aswell, but am gonna take the rest of the season to make my mind up about him. When he is on form he is deadly, but he too often has a "cant be arsed look about him" plus his disciplinary problems.
Self inflicted problems IMO. The most pressing issue is Jose himself. He sets the club in the wrong foot at the start of the season with the doctor and the refereeing issues. When the slide happened, he was at a loss to halt it. Past history indicates that a new manager (good or bad but hopefully good for your sake) always produces a positive bounce which last between 10 to 15 matches. Enough to get you out of trouble and possibkly into top 4. Look at what happened to LFC.
I do think a new manager would get better results for Chelsea than Mourinho will. He's created too much drama, too many issues and upset too many players to get them all pulling together again. His style of management is very successful in the short term and when things are going well but he's not the man you want in charge in a crisis.
He whips them so hard in the good times so that everyone subscribe to his project or else they are out. In the bad times, they take their revenge by enjoying his suffering. I bet one or two (more?) players actually are not that bothered about the defeats (secretly of course!).
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...gie-tells-chelsea-to-back-great-jose-mourinho fergie's take....
He chucks too many people under the bus when things aren't going well. He can do that as he has so much power and loyalty from the fans. At United it was Moyes who ended up under the bus as a lot of the players had a lot of credit in the bank!
Fergie will always back the manager. He's also his pal. If you do back the manager then you'll need a huge/almost complete squad overhaul.
How massive is the Porto game now? If (some of) the press is anything to go by, a loss and C.L elimination could be final straw for Jose.... Though winning Europa looks to be the easiest route back into next seasons C.L...
Mahuusive. If he cant get a result at home to porto in december its a clear indication hes lost total control of the situation. In any case ponder this: Say if we do end up in EL and back him, do any of us truly believe we could win it? For me the answer is yes. But only if massive changes occur, which jose doesnt seem interested in. That answer alone says a load. When a manager gets stuck in a rut like this, so does the club. I dont want to play the same formation for 10 years with jose. I dont want to keep on watching defensive footy at stamford bridge. I dont really even care for joses aggro. I want homegrown english players at chelsea. Free cfc roman. Please.
I'm afraid not even Roman's money can buy that! The whole way we teach kids at grass roots needs to change before you'll see another world class English player.
Stones, Kane and Sterling in particularly could one day be world class IMO. Not enough coming through but that's as much about the high level of foreigners in our league (thus stopping youngsters getting a chance) as it is how they are developed.
The response I would give to that is that if young English talent is so good, why isn't it being snapped up in other European leagues where they can get game time and improve the quality of their leagues? Unfortunately English talent simply does not have the technical skills or quality that othe European countries do, due to the fact we teach them wrong. How many top stars have been told that they weren't going to make it because they were too small? Attitude and training shift needed big time.
