Paris

Why should one country have to bare the burden more than another? Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan all have millions of refugees held in their countries. Whilst we are complaining about a few hundred thousand over Europe.

UK Bound asylum seekers live on about £30 a week and don't get a choice in where they live. Hardly glamorous.

 

God I would hate to cross you. There is of course an argument that centuries of colonial rule and exploitation hasn't helped. Nothing is ever black and white there are always shades of grey

 

It's simple.

I'm old enough to have experienced the wholesale decline, and in places total breakdown in British society, and partially within Bristol itself in my lifetime, and a lot of it is due to unchecked immigration, which is a direct result of appalling government decisions and bad monitoring by authorities.

Successive governments, and loony local authorities have turned a blind eye to what had been going on, and finally woke up way too late, when it finally sank in, we had areas of entire British cities speaking no English, and religious hatred being preached on our streets. Why have we allowed British schools not to teach English as the primary language ? It's absolutely insane !!!

I was working the evening of the St Pauls riots and had to drive past overturned police cars that were on fire and mob rule on the streets. People were armed with sticks, stones and anything else they could lay their hands on. I was 22 at the time. Of course the black folk will complain it was all down to police persecution, despite the fact that places such as the Black & White Café was a known and huge drugs den, and St Paul was full of racketeering and prostitution at the time.

I could go on, but you get the point.

And talking of colonial rule. For some reason, we are also seemingly trying to expunge our part in the Slave Trade from the history books. Whilst none of us should be proud of it, trying to erase it isn't the answer either.
Like the Holocaust or the Great Fire of London it happened whether we like it or not, but being in total denial from figures in authority on this and many other subjects, has been the catalyst for a lot of what is wrong here and now.

 

Interesting. I do agree with your point, there are so many other countries to go to, and I'm not sure that they do come here just for the benefits, it's not that simple. Having said that, I can't answer why they would come here otherwise.

Germany, unlike most nations, has a shrinking population, hence their willingness to accept refugees.

 

DONT WHERE YOU GET INFO
an immigrant/asylum seeker from an Africa country got into the UK Bristol, was given an amount of money and place to live, joined an agency and was working in a OAP home within 2 months of being here.. no CRB CHECK OR NOTHING. a local lady had applied for similar position but had to wait for CRB check it took month's ..she went elsewhere for work ... immigrant /asylum seeker was refused by the home because since her arrival ( about 1 month ) 2 staff had left and a few belongings and food also, her hygiene was atrocious as was her attitude ... OK cant tar all with same brush but I bet at least half don't contribute and ........ ....... cant go into other details

 

He gets it from the Guardian. and complete bollocks it is too.

 

I don't read the guardian.

Asylum seekers are different from refugees and can't work. They are treated like battery livestock.

I suggest you read refugee boy by Benjamin Zephaniah. It may give you a sense of empathy/sympathy.

 

I suggest you wake up to whats happening around you and find some empathy / sympathy for the innocent victims of the terrorist atrocities and beheadings carried out against us.

Its very simple, if Isis weren't doing what they were doing we wouldn't be bombing Syria.. blame them for ALL the innocents that will die!

 

I have sympathy for the millions of people displaced by the tragedies of Syria and the thousands of innocent civilians killed. I also have sympathy for those killed by terrorists.

However by bombing Syria we are creating yet more instability. Something Isis thrives off.

Sent from my D6603 using Tapatalk

 

You would do well to listen to Hilary Benns speech.

Being weak and hand wringing achieves nothing and will let them spread, they are thriving anyway. and the vast majority agree with me. (for now) but I fear you are going to wake up in a very different world one Day and you won't like it very much, and you will have only yourselves to blame.

Read some history my fiend it will show you what weakness achieves!

 

There are arguments both sides here in that our decision to bomb over the border does in military terms make little difference. The problems are that you cannot defeat an ideology and in this case the enemy has more than enough finance so you cant dent their ability to buy weapons. There are of course innocent casualties here, be they in Syria or elsewhere and we are inextricably being drawn in under this banner. The middle east is a poison chalice always has been and always will be. The best we can hope to achieve is to lessen the risk to us.

 

Why do people still have it in their heads we are doing some sort of WW2 carpet bombing exercise on Syria and flattening towns and cities? The RAF have hi-tech, state of the art precision weapons....these things can actually be put into your window or your front door. The targets are determined by weeks of intelligence gathering by coalition forces and "friendlies" on the ground out there. And why the sudden outcry of "Targeting air strikes on ISIS will not bring about any good".........the RAF have been doing this for over a year in neighboring countries with now protests back home?
If there is good intel that the farm building next to the well is an ISIS bomb making facility then target the bloody thing, and if there are so called "innocents" in the building, well they can't be THAT innocent if they are helping out can they?
The west can't defeat these animals by letting them bring their so called war to us, so we must take it to them and stop them at source, although I do wonder if that will ever happen such is the nature of their ways.
THE WEST ARE NOT BOMBING SYRIA...THE WEST ARE BOMBING ISIS.

 

As someone rightly asked last week, why are thousands of young Syrian men not standing and fighting for their country ?

 

But this is no ordinary war see http://www.news.com.au/world/simple...ia-conflict/story-fndir2ev-1226705155146.Then along comes ISIS. It's a mess. The refugees are the long suffering ordinary civilians mainly fleeing Azad and are fed up with being shot at by everybody for 5 years or so. ISIS want to draw the West into the conflict. They have succeeded

 

That is exactly why we are attacking their major source of income and destroying oil well functionality.

 

According to the military experts on the news last night oil is but one of three revenue streams and not their major one

• the first is when the raided all the banks in Musil
• two are rich backers and
• three oil

They all agree ISIS will never have a financial problem and the only way to beat them militarily is with ground troops and then the ideology remains. Its a no win situation

 

Its nonsense, we can certainly dent there ability to buy weapons.

1, Destroy the ones they have at every opportunity by targeted bombing.

2, Close the border (really close it!) between Turkey and Syria. (Turkey will need to assist)

3, Destroy the oil wells functionality so their finance isn't ongoing.

4, Ensure countries don't do business with them and take action if they do.

God, if we all just take your ' we can't do anything about it' attitude, they will be here on our streets killing innocent people and one day you might find its members of your family!

As for your 'can't destroy an ideology' assertion, their ideology is based on hatred and terror, many will be living it under fear, it is a form of oppression and bullying to control people, wipe them out and you wipe out the ideology! Simple..

 

Why should people be forced to fight?

There is a civil war between countless groups. Syria does not need more soldiers. Fighting for Syria would be niave and reckless.

 

You only need to read the sad news from the U.S. yesterday to understand that this carnage backed by eternal hatred will never end if we sit back and do nothing. Our cousins to the south don't have the intelligence to understand that their mass shootings problems stem from their idiotic premise of believing that all and sundry have the right to possess their own personal arsenal, just in case something happens, without recourse. How many farmers down in Somerset own AK47s to kill rabbits and rats, if you get my point?

The perpetrators of this savagery in San Bernadino were of the faith and, although he was born in the U.S, he still developed such hatred for the country that supported his family in a very satisfactory way, he was earning 70,000 US dollars/year, which makes me ask -WHY? All those detractors of importing Syrian refugees have a valid point when it comes to concerns about this kind of radically based murder bringing the same kind of threat to their own neighbourhoods, and I can understand why.

Just pop down to Asda lad and get yourself an AK47 and then we'll sort out your accommodation and benefits and if there's anything else we can help with please give us a call anytime. I know this isn't supposed to happen in the U.K. but it's a guarantee in the U.S. and they just don't get the message even as the carnage continues, be it just Charles Manson lookalikes or some religious nut. The saddest part is that the concerns are currently focused on the potential new arrivals, conveniently forgetting that there are huge quantities already in your midst and if you don't believe me just refer back to the happenings of the last few days in the U.S.

Statistics have just come out stating that prior to 2011 the average space between mass killings ( in the U.S.) has decreased from 90 days to one a week. How sad is that when you have a government department keeping track of those kinds of figures. When will the world learn that there is another better way and until you sanitise religion, and all the hatred it produces, we have absolutely no chance of redemption.

 

I'm sorry Mike but hundreds of mass shootings happen a year in America and most are done by Christians/ atheists. You can't blame Muslims for an incident as common as the average rovers supporter.

However you do highlight that guns bring death and that we should keep our strict gun laws the way they are if not tighten them.