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[John Cardew]

I disagree, I think Joshua looks the real deal, Fury will not beat Klitschko. Interestingly David Haye has been talking about a come back. He could fight Klitschko and that would set up a massive British world title fight with him and Joshua. Bit of a fantasy really as I can see Haye beating Klitschko either.

One thing is for sure, I think it's about the time for Joshua to make the step up in opponent, we've learnt all we can about him from these fights now. And I'm sure he's learnt everything he can from them aswell.

Can't see the point in Haye fighting Klitschko. He was nowhere near good enough last time and will probably be even further away now. Haye v Fury with the loser fighting Joshua would be the interesting one for me.

 

[John Cardew]

As I type now, David Haye has just announced he is out of retirement!

 

[Teessidemackem]

Fury's a loud-mouthed prick. I think he'd beat Joshua though who for me is overrated and won't go to the very top as many seem to think.

Can't see Dillion Whyte being the man to do it but sooner or later someone will stop Joshua. Might be Fury, might be before he even gets that high.

I'm suprised you'd say that about Joshua mate. He looks like an absolute machine and has been totally faultless in every professional fight hes had upto now, on top of being an Olympic Gold medallist (I know so was Fraudley Harrison).
He flew to Germany to spar and train with Klitschko last year and Wladimir said hes never trained with anybody as good in his life and he'll dominate the heavy weight division for years to come.
It's hard to tell just how good he really is though until he can truly be tested. He might have a Glass jaw and Gas out after 5 rounds for all we know?
This is his biggest test, if he wins this he needs to be getting lined up against Pulev or Fury.

 

[Teessidemackem]

As I type now, David Haye has just announced he is out of retirement!

So much for never being able to fight again? His cash must be running out.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

As I type now, David Haye has just announced he is out of retirement!

If he picks a fight with Klitschko he'll be straight back into retirement.

He'd possibly beat Fury.

He'd be ****ing hammered by Joshua if that's his first fight back from retirement, he needs some punch bags to ease himself back in, another dumb **** like Valuev.

 

[John Cardew]

I'm suprised you'd say that about Joshua mate. He looks like an absolute machine and has been totally faultless in every professional fight hes had upto now, on top of being an Olympic Gold medallist (I know so was Fraudley Harrison).
He flew to Germany to spar and train with Klitschko last year and Wladimir said hes never trained with anybody as good in his life and he'll dominate the heavy weight division for years to come.
It's hard to tell just how good he really is though until he can truly be tested. He might have a Glass jaw and Gas out after 5 rounds for all we know?
This is his biggest test, if he wins this he needs to be getting lined up against Pulev or Fury.

I'm just seeing a lot of hype over a guy who has done nothing remarkable yet for me. Half of his opponents have been nothing but fat bastards. I may be wrong and he'll go to the top, I just wonder why his team are taking it so slow in moving up the ladder? It's tedious.

 

[John Cardew]

If he picks a fight with Klitschko he'll be straight back into retirement.

He'd possibly beat Fury.

He'd be ****ing hammered by Joshua if that's his first fight back from retirement, he needs some punch bags to ease himself back in, another dumb **** like Valuev.

Has to be another Valuev followed by Fury for me. I really can't wait or Fury to fight Joshua as I think Fury is technically superior and will beat him. I love it when one of the bandwagon fighters gets done. See Eubank Jr (another overrated fighter).

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Has to be another Valuev followed by Fury for me. I really can't wait or Fury to fight Joshua as I think Fury is technically superior and will beat him. I love it when one of the bandwagon fighters gets done. See Eubank Jr (another overrated fighter).

Eubank Jr hasn't had the sort of hype Joshua has had though, I believe so far he's shown himself to be nothing but the real deal.

We aren't looking at another David Price here, the guy is a very good offensive fighter, he's shown the same sort of impact and nastiness in the ring as a young Mike Tyson.

Joshua wouldn't take the Fury fight now, regardless of if he'd win it or not, he's going the right way about it. You get hit by a top 20 fighter and recover it could make your career, get hit by a lucky Fury punch and your career could be over.

Fury struggled to beat Chisora first time round and he's not improved much since that fight for me, Chisora is a poor, poor fighter at that level.

 

[John Cardew]

Eubank Jr hasn't had the sort of hype Joshua has had though, I believe so far he's shown himself to be nothing but the real deal.

We aren't looking at another David Price here, the guy is a very good offensive fighter, he's shown the same sort of impact and nastiness in the ring as a young Mike Tyson.

Joshua wouldn't take the Fury fight now, regardless of if he'd win it or not, he's going the right way about it. You get hit by a top 20 fighter and recover it could make your career, get hit by a lucky Fury punch and your career could be over.

Fury struggled to beat Chisora first time round and he's not improved much since that fight for me, Chisora is a poor, poor fighter at that level.

Oh I don't think Joshua is another Price. He's shown much, much more than that.
I think he's going to be a very good fighter for many years, I just don't think he'll ever be on that top rung where Klitschko is now.
He may well win a world title tbh but as we know that isn't as prestigious as it once was. Little bit of luck with fighters retiring/vacating belts and you can fight bums for world titles.

Also, I'm pretty sure his whole [HASHTAG]#stayhumble[/HASHTAG] thing is a bit of a farce. A lot of reports from people who know him seem to indicate he's a complete obnoxious prick. Not that that bothers me, a lot of boxers need that to succeed.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Oh I don't think Joshua is another Price. He's shown much, much more than that.
I think he's going to be a very good fighter for many years, I just don't think he'll ever be on that top rung where Klitschko is now.
He may well win a world title tbh but as we know that isn't as prestigious as it once was. Little bit of luck with fighters retiring/vacating belts and you can fight bums for world titles.

Also, I'm pretty sure his whole [HASHTAG]#stayhumble[/HASHTAG] thing is a bit of a farce. A lot of reports from people who know him seem to indicate he's a complete obnoxious prick. Not that that bothers me, a lot of boxers need that to succeed.

He isn't a complete obnoxious prick, I can absolutely guarantee you that, he made the right decision at his own personal cross roads and he's never looked back.

Fury is exactly what you've just described ironically, with taking the path of least resistance to a shot at a belt. Wilder would rip his ****ing head off.

 

[J๏E..]

I love the way you guys argue over the present days boxers and make the odd remark back to the 1985 Mike Tyson, then you have this UFC stuff now, which I have absolutely no interest in. If only you lads could have been around in the 60's, 70's & 80's and seen the best in their day..

Now that was worth an argument about..

 

[Teessidemackem]

He isn't a complete obnoxious prick, I can absolutely guarantee you that, he made the right decision at his own personal cross roads and he's never looked back.

Fury is exactly what you've just described ironically, with taking the path of least resistance to a shot at a belt. Wilder would rip his ****ing head off.

Yes I agree, as frustrating as it is as fans I think Joshuas camp are doing a great job moving him up the ladder slowly.
Every single fighter in that division has knock out power, even the ****e ones, so a lucky punch too early in his career could have been a disaster for his confidence.
I think we'll see him challenging a Top 5 fighter this time next year.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I love the way you guys argue over the present days boxers and make the odd remark back to the 1985 Mike Tyson, then you have this UFC stuff now, which I have absolutely no interest in. If only you lads could have been around in the 60's, 70's & 80's and seen the best in their day..

Now that was worth an argument about..

I wasn't referencing Tyson as a good fighter, more the hype that he carried round with him at a young age, the nasty streak he had. I do however think he was a great fighter, I wasn't alive to remember fighters much before him, I mean I can watch their fights and admire them that way but I wasn't around for the hype and the stuff outside the ring.

The UFC Stuff is different for sure, but money is shifting there and it's gaining momentum faster than any other sport.

 

[J๏E..]

I wasn't referencing Tyson as a good fighter, more the hype that he carried round with him at a young age, the nasty streak he had. I do however think he was a great fighter, I wasn't alive to remember fighters much before him, I mean I can watch their fights and admire them that way but I wasn't around for the hype and the stuff outside the ring.

The UFC Stuff is different for sure, but money is shifting there and it's gaining momentum faster than any other sport.

Tyson was one of my favourite ever fighters as was Joe Frazier..

As for the rest, cracking response mate..

 

[John Cardew]

He isn't a complete obnoxious prick, I can absolutely guarantee you that, he made the right decision at his own personal cross roads and he's never looked back.

Fury is exactly what you've just described ironically, with taking the path of least resistance to a shot at a belt. Wilder would rip his ****ing head off.

Tyson was one of my favourite ever fighters as was Joe Frazier..

As for the rest, cracking response mate..

Heavyweight division is absolutely ****e to be fair nowadays.
I even missed the Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson era. Having a top class heavyweight division would make such a difference to my enjoyment of boxing.

It's good watching geniuses like Pacquiao and Mayweather but I always have it in the back of my mind that the 100th best heavyweight in the world could still spark them in 20 seconds.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Heavyweight division is absolutely ****e to be fair nowadays.
I even missed the Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson era. Having a top class heavyweight division would make such a difference to my enjoyment of boxing.

It's good watching geniuses like Pacquiao and Mayweather but I always have it in the back of my mind that the 100th best heavyweight in the world could still spark them in 20 seconds.

And Vice Versa mate, I've seen little lads put wardrobes to sleep without breaking stride.

 

[Lostinvegas]

Tyson was an excellent fighter, I would have loved to have seen Tyson vs Lewis both in their prime, now that would have been an interesting fight.

Lewis for me is the best Heavyweight of the last generation, he made mistakes and got beat but then went back and beat the people that had beaten him. He was not in an era like the past though where there were lots of really great fighters in their prime all at the same time.

Now is even worse: Haye was a decent fighter but not a heavyweight yet he was seen as the person to give Klitschko the most problems. To be honest Haye is not that old and Klitschko is so a re-match could be a lot closer. IMO either Haye or Klitschko would make light work of Fury. The Klitschko vs Fury fight will be one sided even if Klitschko is getting on a bit.

Joshua is coming along at the right time, I think Klitschko is right about Joshua.....

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Tyson was an excellent fighter, I would have loved to have seen Tyson vs Lewis both in their prime, now that would have been an interesting fight.

Lewis for me is the best Heavyweight of the last generation, he made mistakes and got beat but then went back and beat the people that had beaten him. He was not in an era like the past though where there were lots of really great fighters in their prime all at the same time.

Now is even worse: Haye was a decent fighter but not a heavyweight yet he was seen as the person to give Klitschko the most problems. To be honest Haye is not that old and Klitschko is so a re-match could be a lot closer. IMO either Haye or Klitschko would make light work of Fury. The Klitschko vs Fury fight will be one sided even if Klitschko is getting on a bit.

Joshua is coming along at the right time, I think Klitschko is right about Joshua.....

What you reckon to Bellew saying he'd knock Haye out?

 

[Disco down under]

What you reckon to Bellew saying he'd knock Haye out?

Daft. Bellew's average at best. Full of effort but little talent. The feather in his cap is beating an utterly blown out and passed it Cleverly.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Daft. Bellew's average at best. Full of effort but little talent. The feather in his cap is beating an utterly blown out and passed it Cleverly.

Yeah, I don't rate him either, but I thought it might just be my blinkered anti-scouse glasses.

Hopefully he gets the fight, then gets KTFO.