Off Topic Paris Attacks !

[Tobes]

Jihad john, what a ****ing hollywood set up. Video experts said those first videos with john were fakes and that the men were executed off video not on it

A Hollywood set up.......just when I thought you couldn't get anymore ridiculous.

Well done



You're batshit mental

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

A Hollywood set up.......just when I thought you couldn't get anymore ridiculous.

Well done



You're batshit mental

He just ****ing had to. I said last night, on another thread, that it'd take two days tops for the internet tin-hats to start saying Paris is all a fake/Israeli plot, Sandy Hook a-la-Gallic, and they surely will. You have to have a heart (and head) of ****ing stone not to laugh.

 

[Diego]

A Hollywood set up.......just when I thought you couldn't get anymore ridiculous.

Well done



You're batshit mental

All depends on which "video experts" you decide are right on the internet

 

[Tobes]

He just ****ing had to. I said last night, on another thread, that it'd take two days tops for the internet tin-hats to start saying Paris is all a fake/Israeli plot, Sandy Hook a-la-Gallic, and they surely will. You have to have a heart (and head) of ****ing stone not to laugh.

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It's genuinely incredible

Before the Internet these people just sat at home in their skids throwing stones at cats.

 

[Diego]

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It's genuinely incredible

Before the Internet these people just sat at home in their skids throwing stones at cats.

I would say Sisu throws comments out to get reaction, they range from "wtf" to "hmm, interesting". He gets the reaction he wants every time and I salute him for that

 

[Tobes]

I would say Sisu throws comments out to get reaction, they range from "wtf" to "hmm, interesting". He gets the reaction he wants every time and I salute him for that

You give him more credit than he deserves imo.

He chucks stuff out there that he defends to the hilt, no matter how ludicrous.

He's merely a crank

 

[Diego]

You give him more credit than he deserves imo.

He chucks stuff out there that he defends to the hilt, no matter how ludicrous.

He's merely a crank

But the defence is rarely pulled apart, he finds **** to back up his arguments but nobody ever posts stuff to refute them

A lot of it is outside of main stream thinking and should be easy to counter but nobody does

 

[Treble]

Oh don't get me wrong. "The war on terror" might as well have been named "the war on muslims" the way it was portrayed by our govts. That and internal security policies akin to racial profiling. Alienation was certainly caused.

But....you can not choose to live in a country while denouncing it as evil and holding Muslim states (that you parents left) on a pedastal to be infuriated about when they are attacked. Its not just about what our govt does. Those % in that survey (i haven't seen the tone or weight of the questions I must declare) are not small and they raise valid questions about a rejection of our very culture and not just anger at our govts actions in other countries. We are the same culture we have always been. Why live in it if you see it in such a total negative way? Like I said I wouldnt live in Iran!

Its where I'll be accused of sounding BNP here but if you don't like anything about the culture you are in..(as opposed to having specific issues like we all do) then leave to one of those great countries ran by people who believe in the same social structure you do.

Its not the extreme 5% and its not the homegrown totally converted to our culture % that are the issue. Its the % that want to live here but will not assimilate in any way at all...blaming everyone but themselves for a lack of integration.

Agree but depends who you're talking about here. We started off talking about the responsibility of the wider muslim community to do more but now we're talking about the 1% who want to blow the world up.

The average muslim does not denounce this country as evil. The vast majority of muslims dont hold muslim states on a pedestal. Far from it, they wish our governments wouldnt prop most of them up. The ppl you're talking about - that 1% -we can all agree about. This is about the 99% that seem compelled to be under the spotlight while living a perfectly normal life.

There is a problem within the wider muslim community which is limiting progress. BUT this is a cultural problem. I can tell you somali, arab and indian muslims tend to be more progressive and willing to integrate than pakistani muslims. By the way, the segregation and integration of communities is as much a fault of white folk as it is subcontinent and african ethnic folk. They may choose to move to areas where there are ppl that they can relate to, but at the same time you see white ppl also moving out of those areas at the same rate.

Going back to your point, I think in any free society you can choose to live your life how you please provided it doesnt infringe upon anyone else. Muslims have that right also. There are elements within our culture that doesnt suit their lifestyle and that they distance themselves from. Drinking being the best example. That's their choice. They eat food which they bless (halal) that's their choice. They're not breaking the law. Some wear attire that also seems different to ours. But once again, perfectly acceptable in a free society like ours. I know plenty of muslims who live their life like this and yet are the most well adjusted British ppl I know. Many of these also have real issues with British and foreign politics. Some I've come across hold strong views. All of this is no different to the black community in the 70's and early 80's. Where the problem lies is that tipping point where that 1% crosses that fine line between all the things I've said above to the person who decides to take matters in to their own hands and turn militant. But as I said a few pages ago, the families and wider communities don't know about it until it's too late. So all you can do is take a pragmatic, holistic long term approach to educate much like you would to tackle any grooming process.

Another way to look at it is like this. On the one hand you question why muslims feel some allegiance to their "brothers". Yet when you talk to your average muslim, when they turn around and say "listen these ar5eholes have nothing to do with me or my faith" you say to them, but they're your brothers! You need to do more lol. The irony is that those who dont see themselves as having any allegiance to the fcktards are now the ones being told that they have some responsibility for them lol. They cant win either way.

 

[UnitedinRed]

But the defence is rarely pulled apart, he finds **** to back up his arguments but nobody ever posts stuff to refute them

A lot of it is outside of main stream thinking and should be easy to counter but nobody does

I don't think he's ever made a CT post that hasn't been countered. He tends to 'win' by posting massive long winded posts made from a bit of C+P.

Everyone else just moves on.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Terrorism won't die until no one feels oppressed.

Terrorism won't die.

We can fight it, mitigate it and protect ourselves as much as we can but there will always be an element of it.

Our best defense against it is ending poverty and oppression wherever we can.

 

[Diego]

I don't think he's ever made a CT post that hasn't been countered. He tends to 'win' by posting massive long winded posts made from a bit of C+P.

Everyone else just moves on.

It's the C+P posts that nobody ever counters, if he is wrong it should be easy to do

 

[Diego]

Terrorism won't die until no one feels oppressed.

Terrorism won't die.

We can fight it, mitigate it and protect ourselves as much as we can but there will always be an element of it.

Our best defense against it is ending poverty and oppression wherever we can.

Somebody will always be poorer than others and somebody will always be in control.

 

[Tobes]

But the defence is rarely pulled apart, he finds **** to back up his arguments but nobody ever posts stuff to refute them

A lot of it is outside of main stream thinking and should be easy to counter but nobody does

You're surely taking the piss?

 

[Tobes]

Agree but depends who you're talking about here. We started off talking about the responsibility of the wider muslim community to do more but now we're talking about the 1% who want to blow the world up.

The average muslim does not denounce this country as evil. The vast majority of muslims dont hold muslim states on a pedestal. Far from it, they wish our governments wouldnt prop most of them up. The ppl you're talking about - that 1% -we can all agree about. This is about the 99% that seem compelled to be under the spotlight while living a perfectly normal life.

There is a problem within the wider muslim community which is limiting progress. BUT this is a cultural problem. I can tell you somali, arab and indian muslims tend to be more progressive and willing to integrate than pakistani muslims. By the way, the segregation and integration of communities is as much a fault of white folk as it is subcontinent and african ethnic folk. They may choose to move to areas where there are ppl that they can relate to, but at the same time you see white ppl also moving out of those areas at the same rate.

Going back to your point, I think in any free society you can choose to live your life how you please provided it doesnt infringe upon anyone else. Muslims have that right also. There are elements within our culture that doesnt suit their lifestyle and that they distance themselves from. Drinking being the best example. That's their choice. They eat food which they bless (halal) that's their choice. They're not breaking the law. Some wear attire that also seems different to ours. But once again, perfectly acceptable in a free society like ours. I know plenty of muslims who live their life like this and yet are the most well adjusted British ppl I know. Many of these also have real issues with British and foreign politics. Some I've come across hold strong views. All of this is no different to the black community in the 70's and early 80's. Where the problem lies is that tipping point where that 1% crosses that fine line between all the things I've said above to the person who decides to take matters in to their own hands and turn militant. But as I said a few pages ago, the families and wider communities don't know about it until it's too late. So all you can do is take a pragmatic, holistic long term approach to educate much like you would to tackle any grooming process.

Another way to look at it is like this. On the one hand you question why muslims feel some allegiance to their "brothers". Yet when you talk to your average muslim, when they turn around and say "listen these ar5eholes have nothing to do with me or my faith" you say to them, but they're your brothers! You need to do more lol. The irony is that those who dont see themselves as having any allegiance to the fcktards are now the ones being told that they have some responsibility for them lol. They cant win either way.

You were denying that IS had any link to Islam 2 pages back.

Now you've posted that jumbled mess of contrary crap

 

[Diego]

You're surely taking the piss?

Nope, that is why I rarely get involved in the arguments that ensue. I think he often plays people (not always) and just sit back and enjoy the discussions

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

We got terrorist experts on the board now then?

 

[Diego]

We got terrorist experts on the board now then?

I know all about them, they terrorise people in order to promote fear in the populace, hence the name

 

[Tobes]

Nope, that is why I rarely get involved in the arguments that ensue. I think he often plays people (not always) and just sit back and enjoy the discussions

As I said earlier, you're giving him waaaaayyyy too much credit there.

If he was popcorning, he'd not believe it, he'd be chucking it our their for the craic. You must have missed his continual [HASHTAG]#meltdowns[/HASHTAG] when someone challenges the bollocks he firmly believes in.

 

[Treble]

You were denying that IS had any link to Islam 2 pages back.

Now you've posted that jumbled mess of contrary crap

If you can find anywhere where I've posted the word Islam in that post go ahead. Or if I've said the religion has anything to do with ISIS

You're on a football forum and that's about your limit tbh Tobes. As I've said earlier your ignorance and prejudice prevent you from understanding what's being said. The fact you're reading what I've written I'll consider a mild breakthrough... although comprehension is still a distant way off.

 

[Tobes]

If you can find anywhere where I've posted the word Islam in that post go ahead. Or if I've said the religion has anything to do with ISIS

You're on a football forum and that's about your limit tbh Tobes. As I've said earlier your ignorance and prejudice prevent you from understanding what's being said. The fact you're reading what I've written I'll consider a mild breakthrough... although comprehension is still a distant way off.

Try the first paragraph you dense pompous ****

You're welcome