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Can't be right that mate, it must be a NASA fraudReading a piece in the Grauniad today re. the Kiribati Islands and how they are dealing with rising sea levels
Nah man, it's a Leftist plot to make the energy efficient lightbulb market go through the roofCan't be right that mate, it must be a NASA fraud
Hmmm, great rebuttal lads, data and the results of scientific studies does not compare to unsupported alarmist statements and the following jokes about "conspiracy theory". I did say @Tobes I was not interested in motive in reply to you but I took a quick guess, now it's "all about that" suddenly.
The lightbulb gag is supposd to put the 10s of trillions cap and trade and green subsidies into context? Pretty lame paraphrase by people who know less about his subject than the actual clima tards.
Meanwhile more met office and Guardian fraud.
World's climate about to enter 'uncharted territory' as it passes 1C of warming
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ncharted-territory-as-it-passes-1c-of-warming
East Anglia CRU data, you know the Climate Research Unit?, that is the centre of global warming\climate change, you know, that stuff that is weak when put against unsupported alarmist claims
Data says .7c degrees not 1c
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4-gl.dat
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf
I know right, using their own data to prove the claims are lies, stupid right?
But yer jokes and totally unsupported alarmist drivel "oh the seas are rising" crap without even understanding anything about how it is measured and "remodeled" are not even.. anything meangingful never mind an argument. Remodeling always give higher rates, in temp in CO2 in methane in ocean temp ocean levels, not disputed, it's in the papers none of which any of ye are wiling to read
You end up with extrapolation problems in your equations, where models dirverge more and more from reality the longer into the future you run them.
To run a model actually capable of modelling the actual climate, would take 40 years on our best hardware to model one year.
The lightbulb gag is supposd to put the 10s of trillions cap and trade and green subsidies into context? Pretty lame paraphrase by people who know less about his subject than the actual clima tards.
Meanwhile more met office and Guardian fraud.
World's climate about to enter 'uncharted territory' as it passes 1C of warming
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ncharted-territory-as-it-passes-1c-of-warming
East Anglia CRU data, you know the Climate Research Unit?, that is the centre of global warming\climate change, you know, that stuff that is weak when put against unsupported alarmist claims
Data says .7c degrees not 1c
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http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4-gl.dat
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http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf
I know right, using their own data to prove the claims are lies, stupid right?
But yer jokes and totally unsupported alarmist drivel "oh the seas are rising" crap without even understanding anything about how it is measured and "remodeled" are not even.. anything meangingful never mind an argument. Remodeling always give higher rates, in temp in CO2 in methane in ocean temp ocean levels, not disputed, it's in the papers none of which any of ye are wiling to read
You end up with extrapolation problems in your equations, where models dirverge more and more from reality the longer into the future you run them.
To run a model actually capable of modelling the actual climate, would take 40 years on our best hardware to model one year.
Reading a piece in the Grauniad today re. the Kiribati Islands and how they are dealing with rising sea levels
Someone, you? already posted that.
The "island" is an atoll, coral islands, much of it is already under water as can be seen here. That lagoon has been there long before "global warming" and there is a completely straight forward answer as to why the lagoon is getting bigger.
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A cyclone passed the atoll this year causing massive flooding of the lagoon border areas, on top of lashing rains and winds. Guess what happens when the Island gets flooded with cyclone storm swells and serious rainfall and winds, all that water has to make it's way back out of the lagoon and you can even see the erosion from this at the mouth of hte lagoon where coral sand is being exposed as it is stripped away. Every single storm surge will remove some of those islands
There is even large amounts of coral sand around the lagoon in the ocean under the water, most likely stripped from the Island from storms over the last god knows how long.
Oh by the way.. do you know why there is so much coral sand on the island.. because in the past it was under water.
See what turns up with even the most basic of research?
Besides I already posted the records for my own neighbourhood, In Heksinki and Stockholm the sea level has been dropping for decades. I already posted the finnish and swedish data sets.
Also none of the climate scientists are even factoring what the actual seabed is doing
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Any chance you answer my questions re the cycle in that backcast, you appear to have missed it.
Thanks
Any chance you answer my questions re the cycle in that backcast, you appear to have missed it.
Thanks
But a quick search shows there's umpteen other data sources out there that show a different picture, you're merely selecting information that backs your stance as opposed to providing a balanced objective view.
You're a climate change denier, so you're only showing one half of the argument throughout.
Yes, anyone with a scientific background would look at all the evidence and attempt to come to a conclusion. Maybe the conclusion being that the data used to back up a claim is from mixed sources and only that which backs up a point of view is being used.
After 110 pages I am shocked to see this is still going.
Is that because, on a football forum, there's more interest in climate change than there is in EFC
It's even a problem on Mars 
MAVEN mission finding clues to Mars’ climate change
Orbiter collects clues about how the sun is stripping away the Red Planet’s atmosphere
BY
CHRISTOPHER CROCKETT
2:00PM, NOVEMBER 5, 2015
SOLAR ATTACK After over a year of orbiting Mars, the MAVEN spacecraft (illustrated) finds that energetic particles from the sun played a major role in robbing the Red Planet of its water.
NASA
View visualization
Solar winds slowly chip away at the Martian atmosphere while flares trigger widespread auroras. These are just two findings fromMAVEN, NASA’s most recent mission to Mars, that appear in four papers published in the Nov. 6 in Science.
By now, it’s clear that water once rushed through canyons and filled basins on the Red Planet, but not anymore. Whether the water escaped into space or was sequestered underground, understanding what became of the H2O can help researchers better understand the ancient Martian climate and its past habitability. After roughly a year of orbiting Mars (SN Online: 9/22/14), the MAVEN spacecraft is providing some important clues.
“Loss to space was a significant, if not dominant, process in changing the climate,” says MAVEN principal investigator Bruce Jakosky, a planetary scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder.
Thanks to the steady stream of particles and plasma from the sun, Mars currently loses about 100 grams of its atmosphere every second, researchers found. That may not sound like much, says Jakosky, who coauthors all four papers. “But over a couple billion years, it can remove an amount equivalent to today’s [Martian] atmosphere.”
Other orbiters, such as the European Space Agency’s Mars Express, have seen hints of atmospheric escape, but not at this level of detail. “This is a fantastic result,” says Dmitri Titov, project scientist for Mars Express and a planetary scientist at the European Space Research and Technology Centre in Noordwijk, the Netherlands. “Until now, we had only models and a couple of measurements with spacecraft.”
While the sun steadily erodes Mars’ atmosphere, solar flares can take out relatively big chunks. After a flare in March, MAVEN noticed that the number of ions streaming from the planet jumped by roughly a factor of 10. Such flares were probably more common and more intense in the past when the sun was younger and feistier, Jakosky notes, and might have sloughed off much of Mars’ atmosphere.
“Solar history is the big elephant in the room,” says coauthor Janet Luhmann, a space physicist at the University of California, Berkeley. “If this is going on regularly and much more vigorously in the first 1 [billion] to 2 billion years of solar system history ... then we have to take that into account.”
Atmospheric light displays that blanket Mars’ northern hemisphere, first reported in March (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15), provide another clue that energetic particles from the sun dump energy deep into the Martian sky, notes Luhmann. Because Mars doesn’t have a global magnetic field like Earth does, it can’t protect itself from the onslaught of electrons that threaten to strip off its atmosphere.
As MAVEN dove in and out of the upper atmosphere, the probe also recorded surprising variability of ion abundances, which provides some hints at how the different atmospheric layers interact with one another. And previously reported dust particles swirling around the planet (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15) are probably swept up from interplanetary space, and not lofted up from the surface or sprinkled down from Mars’ two moons.
MAVEN is about to start an extended mission, which will let researchers see how the leaking atmosphere responds to the changing Martian seasons, each roughly six Earth months long. If funding allows, the spacecraft has enough fuel to hang around Mars through an entire 11-year solar cycle, Jakosky says.
MAVEN mission finding clues to Mars’ climate change
Orbiter collects clues about how the sun is stripping away the Red Planet’s atmosphere
BY
CHRISTOPHER CROCKETT
2:00PM, NOVEMBER 5, 2015
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SOLAR ATTACK After over a year of orbiting Mars, the MAVEN spacecraft (illustrated) finds that energetic particles from the sun played a major role in robbing the Red Planet of its water.
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Solar winds slowly chip away at the Martian atmosphere while flares trigger widespread auroras. These are just two findings fromMAVEN, NASA’s most recent mission to Mars, that appear in four papers published in the Nov. 6 in Science.
By now, it’s clear that water once rushed through canyons and filled basins on the Red Planet, but not anymore. Whether the water escaped into space or was sequestered underground, understanding what became of the H2O can help researchers better understand the ancient Martian climate and its past habitability. After roughly a year of orbiting Mars (SN Online: 9/22/14), the MAVEN spacecraft is providing some important clues.
“Loss to space was a significant, if not dominant, process in changing the climate,” says MAVEN principal investigator Bruce Jakosky, a planetary scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder.
Thanks to the steady stream of particles and plasma from the sun, Mars currently loses about 100 grams of its atmosphere every second, researchers found. That may not sound like much, says Jakosky, who coauthors all four papers. “But over a couple billion years, it can remove an amount equivalent to today’s [Martian] atmosphere.”
Other orbiters, such as the European Space Agency’s Mars Express, have seen hints of atmospheric escape, but not at this level of detail. “This is a fantastic result,” says Dmitri Titov, project scientist for Mars Express and a planetary scientist at the European Space Research and Technology Centre in Noordwijk, the Netherlands. “Until now, we had only models and a couple of measurements with spacecraft.”
While the sun steadily erodes Mars’ atmosphere, solar flares can take out relatively big chunks. After a flare in March, MAVEN noticed that the number of ions streaming from the planet jumped by roughly a factor of 10. Such flares were probably more common and more intense in the past when the sun was younger and feistier, Jakosky notes, and might have sloughed off much of Mars’ atmosphere.
“Solar history is the big elephant in the room,” says coauthor Janet Luhmann, a space physicist at the University of California, Berkeley. “If this is going on regularly and much more vigorously in the first 1 [billion] to 2 billion years of solar system history ... then we have to take that into account.”
Atmospheric light displays that blanket Mars’ northern hemisphere, first reported in March (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15), provide another clue that energetic particles from the sun dump energy deep into the Martian sky, notes Luhmann. Because Mars doesn’t have a global magnetic field like Earth does, it can’t protect itself from the onslaught of electrons that threaten to strip off its atmosphere.
As MAVEN dove in and out of the upper atmosphere, the probe also recorded surprising variability of ion abundances, which provides some hints at how the different atmospheric layers interact with one another. And previously reported dust particles swirling around the planet (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15) are probably swept up from interplanetary space, and not lofted up from the surface or sprinkled down from Mars’ two moons.
MAVEN is about to start an extended mission, which will let researchers see how the leaking atmosphere responds to the changing Martian seasons, each roughly six Earth months long. If funding allows, the spacecraft has enough fuel to hang around Mars through an entire 11-year solar cycle, Jakosky says.
It's even a problem on Mars
MAVEN mission finding clues to Mars’ climate change
Orbiter collects clues about how the sun is stripping away the Red Planet’s atmosphere
BY
CHRISTOPHER CROCKETT
2:00PM, NOVEMBER 5, 2015
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SOLAR ATTACK After over a year of orbiting Mars, the MAVEN spacecraft (illustrated) finds that energetic particles from the sun played a major role in robbing the Red Planet of its water.
NASA
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View visualization
Solar winds slowly chip away at the Martian atmosphere while flares trigger widespread auroras. These are just two findings fromMAVEN, NASA’s most recent mission to Mars, that appear in four papers published in the Nov. 6 in Science.
By now, it’s clear that water once rushed through canyons and filled basins on the Red Planet, but not anymore. Whether the water escaped into space or was sequestered underground, understanding what became of the H2O can help researchers better understand the ancient Martian climate and its past habitability. After roughly a year of orbiting Mars (SN Online: 9/22/14), the MAVEN spacecraft is providing some important clues.
“Loss to space was a significant, if not dominant, process in changing the climate,” says MAVEN principal investigator Bruce Jakosky, a planetary scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder.
Thanks to the steady stream of particles and plasma from the sun, Mars currently loses about 100 grams of its atmosphere every second, researchers found. That may not sound like much, says Jakosky, who coauthors all four papers. “But over a couple billion years, it can remove an amount equivalent to today’s [Martian] atmosphere.”
Other orbiters, such as the European Space Agency’s Mars Express, have seen hints of atmospheric escape, but not at this level of detail. “This is a fantastic result,” says Dmitri Titov, project scientist for Mars Express and a planetary scientist at the European Space Research and Technology Centre in Noordwijk, the Netherlands. “Until now, we had only models and a couple of measurements with spacecraft.”
While the sun steadily erodes Mars’ atmosphere, solar flares can take out relatively big chunks. After a flare in March, MAVEN noticed that the number of ions streaming from the planet jumped by roughly a factor of 10. Such flares were probably more common and more intense in the past when the sun was younger and feistier, Jakosky notes, and might have sloughed off much of Mars’ atmosphere.
“Solar history is the big elephant in the room,” says coauthor Janet Luhmann, a space physicist at the University of California, Berkeley. “If this is going on regularly and much more vigorously in the first 1 [billion] to 2 billion years of solar system history ... then we have to take that into account.”
Atmospheric light displays that blanket Mars’ northern hemisphere, first reported in March (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15), provide another clue that energetic particles from the sun dump energy deep into the Martian sky, notes Luhmann. Because Mars doesn’t have a global magnetic field like Earth does, it can’t protect itself from the onslaught of electrons that threaten to strip off its atmosphere.
As MAVEN dove in and out of the upper atmosphere, the probe also recorded surprising variability of ion abundances, which provides some hints at how the different atmospheric layers interact with one another. And previously reported dust particles swirling around the planet (SN: 4/18/15, p. 15) are probably swept up from interplanetary space, and not lofted up from the surface or sprinkled down from Mars’ two moons.
MAVEN is about to start an extended mission, which will let researchers see how the leaking atmosphere responds to the changing Martian seasons, each roughly six Earth months long. If funding allows, the spacecraft has enough fuel to hang around Mars through an entire 11-year solar cycle, Jakosky says.
It's (climate change) happening on Mars Jupiter Venus and neptune. All of them have had more drastic changes than earth.
Lets see how they blame Mars' retreating glaciers on CO2
Is that because, on a football forum, there's more interest in climate change than there is in EFC
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Can fusion technology be be scaled down from the current designs that are unable to sustain a reaction that generates a positive energy output? Unless this can be solved then it is a pointless pointing towards the direction the technology should take
We dont need cold fusion. We need good storage.
If you had an effective cheap storage unit, an exercise bike could provide you with all the free juice you need
Even this inefficient hastily adapted system creates 500w of power. That's pretty decent.
With improved storage, you can supply your own energy and have it portable, just by getting off yer fat arse.
Even with old people, rather than then freezing in winter cos they cant pay bills, a volunteer hits the pedals for an hour or two, free juice.
This is the simple answer for the average person at home. Not a commercial answer, but if everyone able did it this way then wind and wave can be used for commercial, who cares, we aint paying for it.
But no one wants you to be energy independent, is that not clear at this point like
It's also a part answer to the obesity issue surely.
If you had an effective cheap storage unit, an exercise bike could provide you with all the free juice you need
Even this inefficient hastily adapted system creates 500w of power. That's pretty decent.
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With improved storage, you can supply your own energy and have it portable, just by getting off yer fat arse.
Even with old people, rather than then freezing in winter cos they cant pay bills, a volunteer hits the pedals for an hour or two, free juice.
This is the simple answer for the average person at home. Not a commercial answer, but if everyone able did it this way then wind and wave can be used for commercial, who cares, we aint paying for it.
But no one wants you to be energy independent, is that not clear at this point like
It's also a part answer to the obesity issue surely.
Meanwhile this skyrocketing cost of energy which is set to tripple, will kill hoards of old people in winter, like that WWI vet that died because he could not pay his bills.
23000 old people died in 2006 from cold. Cold winter homes can kill as many as 200 old people a day in winter.
There is the price of this ****ing scam, they say "ah well even if we are wrong it is the right thing to do", tell that to the 10s of thousands that die every single year in winter in the UK. Many of them are veterans of wars lest ye forget
23000 old people died in 2006 from cold.
Cold winter homes can kill as many as 200 old people a day in winter.There is the price of this ****ing scam, they say "ah well even if we are wrong it is the right thing to do", tell that to the 10s of thousands that die every single year in winter in the UK. Many of them are veterans of wars lest ye forget
maybe the rising global temperature is not such a bad thing after all?
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