Some interesting stuff on here for anyone into a bit of Chomsky.....................
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@The Milk One
I am thinking you are confusing my reasons for the posts I make with some "agenda".
If we are so morally good then why do we commit such atrocities? Do you know history lad, do you know who prevented the UN doing anthing in the Rwanda genocide? Who supported the Timor massacres? Indonesia massacres? Brazil? Nicaragua? India? Nigeria Kenya bahrain? I could go on all ****ing day mate, given we are supposed to be moral and right, and this **** goes on, I am partial to holding my own tribe to a higher moral standard, it's entirely rational. You might be closer to the truth saying I am a self hating westerner, though I dont hate western lifestyle, the UN IPCC does and wants to dismantle it. I jsut hate the wars and the blaming of everyone else for them
I don't talk about Russia because I don't know Russian and it is hard doing research of Russian documents as a result, and I don't know a whole lot about Russia bar WWII. I go to St Petersburg and Vipurri and the locals are lovely people. I have American English Australian and canadian mates. I hate their governments but no one has an issue. I fail to see why your arse clinches when I bring up the crimes of criminals no matter who's flag they hind behind.
So don;'t be talking it so personal when I say Obama incinderates babies and Putin not so much. It's true even if Putin is a ****.
I am thinking you are confusing my reasons for the posts I make with some "agenda".
If we are so morally good then why do we commit such atrocities? Do you know history lad, do you know who prevented the UN doing anthing in the Rwanda genocide? Who supported the Timor massacres? Indonesia massacres? Brazil? Nicaragua? India? Nigeria Kenya bahrain? I could go on all ****ing day mate, given we are supposed to be moral and right, and this **** goes on, I am partial to holding my own tribe to a higher moral standard, it's entirely rational. You might be closer to the truth saying I am a self hating westerner, though I dont hate western lifestyle, the UN IPCC does and wants to dismantle it. I jsut hate the wars and the blaming of everyone else for them
I don't talk about Russia because I don't know Russian and it is hard doing research of Russian documents as a result, and I don't know a whole lot about Russia bar WWII. I go to St Petersburg and Vipurri and the locals are lovely people. I have American English Australian and canadian mates. I hate their governments but no one has an issue. I fail to see why your arse clinches when I bring up the crimes of criminals no matter who's flag they hind behind.
So don;'t be talking it so personal when I say Obama incinderates babies and Putin not so much. It's true even if Putin is a ****.
Most of your 9/11 ones for a start offLike?
Most of your 9/11 ones for a start off
Not my theories pal, I never said even one of them was the truth, I only talked about them.
Official story - Planes flew at impossible speeds into small targets by pilots the best of whom could barely fly a cessna.
Whatever the truth, that is not it and you'd have to be a loon to think otherwise
I rest my caseOfficial story - Planes flew at impossible speeds into small targets by pilots the best of whom could barely fly a cessna.
Whatever the truth, that is not it and you'd have to be a loon to think otherwise
For me to be vindicated on 9\11 it only takes an admission the official story was a lie, on that day I expect a massive ball licking thread. 
I rest my case
Doesn't make sense, you don't even know the official story, as in the whole story as in the reports do you? So how can you say they were true?
That sums up your debate skills on such matters
I don't know the official story? Ok mateDoesn't make sense, you don't even know the official story, as in the whole story as in the reports do you? So how can you say they were true?
That sums up your debate skills on such matters
I watched the ****er live on TV, I trust my own eyes.
The only official line I've never bought was the plane that was flying towards the Whitehouse wasn't shot down, when it patently was. The rest was what it was, you believe otherwise, in my book you're ****ing barking for doing so. That's it, no point going over it yet again.
The footage you seen was not live, I watched it too. It was fed from the US. When we seen that footage the event had already happened.
But when I read in the official report that this plane flew over 500 knotts and see the approach of the plane, controlled with skill (by a **** pilot at impossible speed)
It's not even extreme to say that the plane probably should have broken up at 500 knotts at sea level. Sea level being air thickness level. The egyptian airway one broke up, was at 500 knotts at 30000 feet and the pilot put it into a dive and it broke up once it reached thicker air
So when I read that and see they left out buiding 7 entirely, and the guy leading the commission says it was set up to fail.. you kinda have to wonder whatever the truth is, the official story is not true, I am not talking plane or no plane, just the story we are told is porkies
This is what people come up with when they think about it, answers on a postcard
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@saintKlopp
For some life is more intense than a hollywood thriller movie.
Drug smuggling, death threats and child sex abuse images: UN staff members' worst crimes revealed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...f-members-worst-crimes-revealed-a6718376.html
That's just some of the crimes
When you work for the UN you can steal 2 grand from someone and still keep, your job.
"According to the document, one member of staff working on security for a UN flight “took, without authorization, $2,200 from the luggage of a passenger”. He or she was “separated from service” but not sacked due to “mitigating circumstances."
For some life is more intense than a hollywood thriller movie.
Drug smuggling, death threats and child sex abuse images: UN staff members' worst crimes revealed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...f-members-worst-crimes-revealed-a6718376.html
That's just some of the crimes
When you work for the UN you can steal 2 grand from someone and still keep, your job.
"According to the document, one member of staff working on security for a UN flight “took, without authorization, $2,200 from the luggage of a passenger”. He or she was “separated from service” but not sacked due to “mitigating circumstances."
So ALLof the TV networks were in on it?
Every cameraman and helicopter pilot from the TV eyes?
All of the witnesses who took video footage?
All of the commentators, broadcasters, anchormen and reporters?
The complete idiocy of your theory defies logical debate, as you're that engrossed in the ridiculous conspiracy that you can't see beyond the obvious and fundamental flaws in that complete nonsense.
If you don't think the official line is true (no problem with that) then what bits do you think are true.
Did flights 11 and 175 crash into the towers?
Let me repeat what I've said before- I think we all need a healthy scepticism when dealing with official lines.I don't do "believe", I prefer to actually learn what actualy goes on saint........
.........And you think I am "mad"?
However, it's a big leap from having doubts about an official story to eagerly embracing the worst-possible scenario alternative.
The reason I made the Hollywood reference is because I often see alternative theories based purely on inconsistencies in the official line- inconsistencies are simply equated with falsehood.
I would say the opposite was true, it's the anomalies that make something more plausible.
Unlike a work of fiction, reality doesn't have a neatly plotted storyline where everything ultimately falls into place and it's the people we all trust that turn out to be the bad guys.
In stressful and/or chaotic situations, it's perfectly natural for there to be discrepancies in eye-witness accounts and the gathering and processing of information. People will offer accounts to support their own prejudices, others will simply misinterpret what they see, yet others will lie to cover their mistakes-real or perceived.
Fiction is all neat and tidy- the real world is messy.
The (0fficial) Taylor Report smashed the police line on Hillsborough. The 'cover-up' was about the police behaviour and lies told to the inquest. But however many reports are put in the public domain, nothing is going to change closed minds that thrive on hatred. Some people have their pre-set conception and any deviation or argument against that is just seen as 'victimhood'. The 'truth' will never change this.
As for always qusetioning any official line automatically, then I think you're substituting healthy, Socratic irony (as embodied in your Feynman quote) with sheer paranoia. In fact, you're almost substituting a human godhead to try and explain every chaotic event as really being planned and manipulated by some controlling 'presence' that decides everything.
Just an off topic question - how was your relationship with your father, Sis?
Tom Jones Is Getting His DNA Tested To See If He Has ‘Black Ancestors’
Sir Tom Jones has revealed that he wants to get his DNA tested to find out if he has any black ancestors, with the music legend admitting that he has “always wondered” if he is mixed race.
The 75-year-old is keen to get the test done in the near future so that he can gain a better understanding of his heritage.
[Copyright: Rex]
Speaking to Times magazine, the star explained: “A lot of people still think I’m black. When I first came to America, people who had heard me sing on the radio would be surprised that I was white when they saw me.
“Because of my hair, a lot of black people still tell me that I’m just passing as white.”
When Tom’s mother, Freda, who is of Welsh and English descent, gave birth to him doctors reportedly asked her if she had any “black blood” after she developed dark patches of skin following her labour.
Tom clarified: “When I was born, my mother came out in big dark patches all over her body.
“They [the doctors and midwives] asked if she had any black blood and she said she didn’t know. I’m going to get my DNA tested.
Sir Tom Jones has revealed that he wants to get his DNA tested to find out if he has any black ancestors, with the music legend admitting that he has “always wondered” if he is mixed race.
The 75-year-old is keen to get the test done in the near future so that he can gain a better understanding of his heritage.
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[Copyright: Rex]
Speaking to Times magazine, the star explained: “A lot of people still think I’m black. When I first came to America, people who had heard me sing on the radio would be surprised that I was white when they saw me.
“Because of my hair, a lot of black people still tell me that I’m just passing as white.”
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When Tom’s mother, Freda, who is of Welsh and English descent, gave birth to him doctors reportedly asked her if she had any “black blood” after she developed dark patches of skin following her labour.
Tom clarified: “When I was born, my mother came out in big dark patches all over her body.
“They [the doctors and midwives] asked if she had any black blood and she said she didn’t know. I’m going to get my DNA tested.
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