It's getting nasty...

[awjm]

Also, he made a decision to take off Luongo. It paid off. And there are several possible reasons for taking him off. One thing I've noticed about Luongo is that he seems to get knackered in second halves. But he brought on a more attacking minded player and then ended up with three goals.

After the first and second goal I actually stood up, faced the R block and chanted "you don't know what you're doing" in mockery of the boo boys.

 

[TimPR78]

I don't know what the answer to this is really, fans who seem to revel in things going wrong? I'm usually someone who will stand up for things I believe in, and would love to turn around and speak up but don't want to end up in a confrontation and get kicked out because of some gobby twat. I'm usually a quite one, mostly due to spending most of the game a moment away from having a heart attack, but maybe the only answer is to sing loud and proud, as part of a crowd or on my own, get behind the team and club, who are by far from perfect but then again neither am I

 

[QPR Oslo]

No, it's definitely not that recent. Over the last 3 or so years the booing has become more regular and more petty. And this season has been the worst and most nasty. Those fans who thing we belong in the top half of the premier won't accept a few misplaced passes. Success is demanded and its demanded now. There's no patience and little respect. That's the key thing for me; respect. Whilst someone is standing amongst thousands it's easy to utterly berate or be rude to one of these players who pull on the QPR shirt but still isn't right. Bosingwa was a different case because he obviously didn't give a ****. But a player like Henry who obviously trains and plays hard simply doesn't deserve it, even if he isn't good in your opinion.



As above, it's definitely not a recent thing but I feel it's come to its worst and nastiest.



I'm not sure if you were there but I was and I remember the game well. Henry made a string of errors in the second half but it wasn't totally awful. It was just a rough patch. But in the first half he was a standout player. He got involved throughout and moved the ball across the pitch swiftly. Ok, he didn't get very involved in attack but throughout the game he was the one shifting the ball from one side of the box to the other, trying to help the more attacking players find a way through.

I don't rate him super highly but on his day he's actually quite a good player and a big part of his game is marking players out and covering defenders who have gone forward.

If anyone really believes he had a bad game then they need to get themselves a QPR player subscription and watch the whole 90 mins again, studying him. Otherwise, I suggest that you had already decided to have a negative opinion on his game without watching his game closely.

Furthermore, I think it's a disgrace that so many people booed Chris Ramsey. It's a shameful level of disrespect. I bet you CR spends a lot of time going through plans, training the players as best he can, sifting through small details. I have no doubt that he's trying his absolute best. I think the players respect him, too. But those fans who booed... that's embarrassing. It's arrogant for a fan to think they know better than him and it's just plain rude and disrespectful to boo him for making his decisions because that's what he's paid to do; make the decisions that he thinks are best.

An excellent post thanks.

 

[Peter Damage]

No, it's definitely not that recent. Over the last 3 or so years the booing has become more regular and more petty. And this season has been the worst and most nasty. Those fans who thing we belong in the top half of the premier won't accept a few misplaced
passes. Success is demanded and its demanded now. There's no patience and little respect. That's the key thing for me; respect. Whilst someone is standing amongst thousands it's easy to utterly berate or be rude
to one of these players who pull on the QPR shirt but still isn't right. Bosingwa was a different case because he obviously didn't give a ****. But a player like Henry who obviously trains and plays hard simply doesn't deserve it,
even if he isn't good in your opinion.

As above, it's definitely not a recent thing but I feel it's come to its worst and nastiest.

I'm not sure if you were there but I was and I remember the game well. Henry made a string of errors in the second half but it wasn't totally awful. It was just a rough patch. But in the first
half he was a standout player. He got involved throughout and moved the ball across the pitch swiftly. Ok, he didn't get very involved in attack but throughout the game he was the one shifting the ball from one side of the box to the other, trying to help the more attacking players find a way through.

I don't rate him super highly but on his day he's actually quite a good player and a big part of his game is marking players out and covering
defenders who have gone forward.

If anyone really believes he had a bad game then they need to get themselves a QPR
player subscription and watch the whole 90 mins again, studying him. Otherwise, I suggest that you had already decided to have a negative opinion on his game without watching his game closely.

Furthermore, I think it's a disgrace that so many people booed Chris Ramsey. It's a shameful level of disrespect. I bet you CR spends a lot of time going through plans, training the players as best he can, sifting
through small details. I have no doubt that h
e's trying his absolute best. I think the players respect him, too. But those fans who booed...
that's embarrassing. It's arrogant for a fan to think they know better than him and it's just
plain rude and disrespectful to boo him for making his decisions because that's what he's
paid to do; make the decisions that he thinks are best.

I was there, i've got a season ticket and go to plenty of away games. Looking forward to Friday.

Think it's hilarious, when your item of praise is. He covers defenders when they go forward. It's never, he tracked that run and made an outstanding tackle or interception (stats show he rarely makes a tackle for his role - 1.5 a game). Instead it's when the game was going on their end he stayed back and wasn't involved. But somehow that annonymity translates into praise for some. So rather than getting on the ball or making a tackle where he can be seen to make a contibution or a mistake.

We were rubbish in that 1st half. Had no sustained possession or dominance. So to say Henry was 'moving the ball around swiftly' is a fallacy. He made the odd, 5 yard safe pass. Charged up to their centre backs occasionally but they passed round him and he never won the ball that way.

Luongo in that role or slightly forward and behind Fer still would cover the ground, make many more passes (he'll show for the ball unlike Henry), and he'll also carry it forward when the opportunity presents itself

 

[Flanman]

You half answer it yourself with West Brom after yo yoing. They strengthened and returned a better side after retaining players with premiership experience and quality

Palace actually came up only just and completely unprepared. Their top scorer Murray even did his ACL and out for the season but after being heavily odds on for relegation a new manager came in and turned them around and now look at them.

You say Leicester and Swansea, how about West Ham and Newcastle? Would West Ham be in a stronger position now if they spent a few years out the league or would they possibly be in League one??

Look at Watford, a few managerial changes in last year or so. 15 players brought in over the summer and they look like they'll stay up. Bournemouth who won the league so theoretically have best chance of staying up get bad luck with injuries and look doomed

The truth is their is no magic formula. You just need to get promoted and then stay up your first year and then build from there.

Hang around in this league too long and you soon get swallowed up and become a small fish. Rich premier league clubs or recently relegated clubs will come down and hand pick your best players. Just look at Burnley poaching Gray.

Personally think your on cuckoo land if you think we'll become a better side after losing Austin, Fer and Sandro

First things first where on earth do I say we will become a better side losing Austin, Fer and Sandro?

I don't think I answered my post with the West Brom example as I recall they didn't have 15 odd players moving out and another 15 odd moving in each season, as you say they built upon what they had until they had the required team to stay in the Prem.

I agree Palace did come up unprepared but were a difficult team to beat, this held them in good stead for the Prem in my book they were never going to get relegated they are a strong physical side and even gave a top six side a run for their money, as I recall only losing by the odd goal in many matches. I don't think anyone relishes going to Palace Pulis turned them into the new Stoke.

West Ham and Newcastle are bad examples of what I am expressing they were already established Prem teams that were relegated, held on to the vast majority of their team and were promoted the following season.
Swansea built a team from league 2
Southampton & Norwich built a team from league 1
Leicester built a team in the Championship after several poor seasons
All of these teams built a strong nucleus from largely unknown players and that is what I believe we need to do and I don't mind crawling in the Championship before we can walk.

Too early to talk about Watford or Bournemouth but I think they will be lucky to survive.

There is some truth in saying there is no magic formula, however the teams that I have quoted have shown with a good system in place and playing your cards right there is a better chance of winning. Our formula resembles a blind man going into a casino fumbling around for an hour trying to find the roulette table only to find the toilet and putting all his money down the loo!

 

[Peter Damage]

First things first where on earth do I say we will become a better side losing Austin, Fer and Sandro?

I don't think I answered my post with the West Brom example as I recall they didn't have 15 odd players moving out and another 15 odd moving in each season, as you say they built upon what they had until they had the required team to stay in the Prem.

I agree Palace did come up unprepared but were a difficult team to beat, this held them in good stead for the Prem in my book they were never going to get relegated they are a strong physical side and even gave a top six side a run for their money, as I recall only losing by the odd goal in many matches. I don't think anyone relishes going to Palace Pulis turned them into the new Stoke.

West Ham and Newcastle are bad examples of what I am expressing they were already established Prem teams that were relegated, held on to the vast majority of their team and were promoted the following season.
Swansea built a team from league 2
Southampton & Norwich built a team from league 1
Leicester built a team in the Championship after several poor seasons
All of these teams built a strong nucleus from largely unknown players and that is what I believe we need to do and I don't mind crawling in the Championship before we can walk.

Too early to talk about Watford or Bournemouth but I think they will be lucky to survive.

There is some truth in saying there is no magic formula, however the teams that I have quoted have shown with a good system in place and playing your cards right there is a better chance of winning. Our formula resembles a blind man going into a casino fumbling around for an hour trying to find the roulette table only to find the toilet and putting all his money down the loo!

Really is a broad and complex discussion this as there are many different variables and perspectives out he same thing so i'll narrow it down a bit to the best examples. Think you are also underplaying massively the quality we have retained and under appreciate how big an opportunity that gives us, while under-estimating the potential downsides if we miss that opportunity and then over estimating our chances of later getting out of that and then building further

Palace - you say were hard to beat. Well after promotion and leaving 7 out of 8 league games and signing 16 players that summer!!!!! Holloway was sacked. Pulis came in only in November which I think you'd forgotten. And this a team you picked as a good example of how to mimic

After we lose Austin, Fer, Sandro you seem to have good faith that we will identify the next Ings,Vardy, Bolasie, Zaha, Lallana, Schneiderling or Ashley Williams and retain them long enough not to get poached by a premier league now even richer or other recently relegated club. What right do we have to , mimic those clubs more so than; Sheffield Wednesday, Blackburn, Bolton, Ipswich, Bradford, Forest, Cardiff, Charlton, Barnsley, Sheffield United? They are all doing the same thing

As for your casino analogy, be interested for you to list their players in our current squad who fit your description of a blind man. Aruably Hoilett, but that was 4 years ago? Many others to make such a strong statement and this still to be relevant and not outdated

 

[Flanman]

Really is a broad and complex discussion this as there are many different variables and perspectives out he same thing so i'll narrow it down a bit to the best examples. Think you are also underplaying massively the quality we have retained and under appreciate how big an opportunity that gives us, while under-estimating the potential downsides if we miss that opportunity and then over estimating our chances of later getting out of that and then building further

Palace - you say were hard to beat. Well after promotion and leaving 7 out of 8 league games and signing 16 players that summer!!!!! Holloway was sacked. Pulis came in only in November which I think you'd forgotten. And this a team you picked as a good example of how to mimic

After we lose Austin, Fer, Sandro you seem to have good faith that we will identify the next Ings,Vardy, Bolasie, Zaha, Lallana, Schneiderling or Ashley Williams and retain them long enough not to get poached by a premier league now even richer or other recently relegated club. What right do we have to , mimic those clubs more so than; Sheffield Wednesday, Blackburn, Bolton, Ipswich, Bradford, Forest, Cardiff, Charlton, Barnsley, Sheffield United? They are all doing the same thing

As for your casino analogy, be interested for you to list their players in our current squad who fit your description of a blind man. Aruably Hoilett, but that was 4 years ago? Many others to make such a strong statement and this still to be relevant and not outdated

I'm not talking about any individual player it appears to be the club's policy.

 

[Peter Damage]

I'm not talking about any individual player it appears to be the club's policy.

Which has resulted in us signing which players in the current squad that you feel are limiting the progress we can make?