No Scousers for Liverpool for first time since 1986

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Gerrez said:
As I said, that's two different arguments. Whether you support Liverpool Everton, Villa, Saints, etc or your a local lad yourself or not, we'd all love to see more local lads in teams like in the old days but times move on. If you want local talent in the sides, you have to accept that club expectations are probably going to need a re-assessment. Its great if you can find a Fowler, McManaman, Gerrard or Carragher (what a spine btw) but its much easier said than done.

You say the talent is there and point at Everton. I ask what are their ambitions compared to ours? How long did those lads need to develop? Would our fanbase accept finishing in similar league positions whilst they develop? Or would we expect them to develop whilst we were doing well, aka buying short term talent?

to repeat the question above, what current scouse players plying their trade in the professional leagues would you guys like to see in the Liverpool team?
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EFC bring them through when they're seen as ready, yeah their financial position forces their hand but they find decent local talent on a regular basis.

As for your 2nd point, I'd like us to have a scouting system that finds our own local players rather than buy someone that slipped through the net and ended up at another club outside the area.
 
Gerrez said:
As I said, that's two different arguments. Whether you support Liverpool Everton, Villa, Saints, etc or your a local lad yourself or not, we'd all love to see more local lads in teams like in the old days but times move on. If you want local talent in the sides, you have to accept that club expectations are probably going to need a re-assessment. Its great if you can find a Fowler, McManaman, Gerrard or Carragher (what a spine btw) but its much easier said than done.

You say the talent is there and point at Everton. I ask what are their ambitions compared to ours? How long did those lads need to develop? Would our fanbase accept finishing in similar league positions whilst they develop? Or would we expect them to develop whilst we were doing well, aka buying short term talent?

to repeat the question above, what current scouse players plying their trade in the professional leagues would you guys like to see in the Liverpool team?
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Getting on a bit now but I'd have given Walters and Nolan both a go.
 
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Page_Moss_Kopite said:
EFC bring them through when they're seen as ready, yeah their financial position forces their hand but they find decent local talent on a regular basis.

As for your 2nd point, I'd like us to have a scouting system that finds our own local players rather than buy someone that slipped through the net and ended up at another club outside the area.
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So they don't have to be scousers then? You just want us to develop youngsters and save on stupid fees being paid out.

The fact is, if you want young scousers in the team then the scope for recruitment is vastly reduced. Rather than getting the pick of the worlds young players, you've only got Liverpool. That is going to damage your chances of success.

I am being devil's advocate a little bit here as I'd love to see more scousers in the team, its part of the reason I shout about Flanno so much. Equally, I'd like to see Man utd have more mancs and Arsenal have more southern pansies!
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Getting on a bit now but I'd have given Walters and Nolan both a go.
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Walters yeah, as you all know, I appreciate any player willing to give their all on the pitch and Walters certainly does that. He'd have done a job for us over the last few years. If not, least he wouldn't have been terrorising us <laugh>

Nolan not so much.
 
The DR says said:
Yeah but it takes time, FSG havent been with us that long in the grand scheme of things

But also if the local talent isnt there, then its just not there

Gerrard needed to have a boy! Not 20 girls or whatever it is. Noticed Carras lad was a ball boy V Villa
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My daughter tells me he's a nasty little twat <ok>
 
Page_Moss_Kopite said:
I think it's more to do with managerial decisions than club policy, but there's no way ALL of our imported youths are better than some playing amateur in the Liverpool/Merseyside area.

Jimmy Case was 19 when he caught the LFC scouts eye at South Liverpool.

Happy to say the scouts eye got better and LFC and Jimmy went on to better things.

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I think a large portion of the blame can be put at Benitez door, as he was the one who ensured Heighway was ****ed off and brought in the Spaniards, who then brought in plenty of non local lads into your academy.

It's vital for both clubs to retain a core of local lads, as without it they'll eventually drift away from the community that they're supposed to represent. There's always something special about a homegrown local lad making the first team and they just 'get it' more than the overseas lads.
 
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Gerrez said:
Walters yeah, as you all know, I appreciate any player willing to give their all on the pitch and Walters certainly does that. He'd have done a job for us over the last few years. If not, least he wouldn't have been terrorising us <laugh>

Nolan not so much.
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Nolan would definitely have done a job for us - plus he went to school with my eldest [HASHTAG]#biased[/HASHTAG]
 
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johnsonsbaby said:
Nolan would definitely have done a job for us - plus he went to school with my eldest [HASHTAG]#biased[/HASHTAG]
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Thinking about the players we've had over the years, I don't think Nolan would have been able to offer us anything more. We went years without adequate attacking options though so I think Walters would have done.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
A bit old but for our purposes, the information still stands - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...top-of-the-footballers-birthplace-league.html
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To provide a fair comparison, only footballers born within the boundaries of the City of Liverpool – population 435,000 – were included in its total, not those from neighbouring Merseyside boroughs such as Sefton or Knowsley. The same rule was applied to the cities of Manchester (pop 464,000) and Birmingham (pop. 1 million).

So we can't have Kirkby and Maghull etc, bit they can have ****ing Trafford and Salford. Same as it ever was, in the immortal words of David Byrne.
 
astroturfnaut said:
The Sky article is mostly clickbait. The overall effect is that PL teams are rich and successful and employ people from all over the world. Travel and accommodation costs mean **** all so the cost benefit of being local is meaningless.

The no scousers in the derby is clickbait; Flanagan and Baines have long injuries so they're out. We had a scouser captain for 12 years whereas Everton are captained by a Manc. But that's all cancelled out and they "win on scousers" because Barkley has hit a patch of not-completely-useless form whereas we're using Rossiter in our European games (which Everton don't have to play)?
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Not for the first time you completely miss the point <doh>
 
Gerrez said:
Thinking about the players we've had over the years, I don't think Nolan would have been able to offer us anything more. We went years without adequate attacking options though so I think Walters would have done.
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The 'anything more' would have been passion and staying in touch with the local fanbase. None of which improves a players ability but it's that almost intangible that keeps the club connected to the city.
 
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