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Beefy's Jumpers to Follow 2015/16

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by beeforsalmon, Sep 23, 2015.

  1. Sir Barney Chuckles

    Sir Barney Chuckles Who Dares Wins

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    Don’t forget that in a lot of instances it is the owners, or there representatives, who will decide where a horse goes rather than the actual trainer who will only advise – that is certainly the case regarding the McManus horses with ultimately his ‘racing manager’ deciding the vast majority of things.

    A significant number of those bookie chappies are now no longer quoting any odds whatsoever re Mr Henderson’s My Tent for either the 2016 Champion Hurdle or Arkle. Going on this it would appear he faces an uphill struggle to get on the racecourse this term and no way can he be viewed as an ante-post proposition because of this uncertainty.

    I was a huge fan of Call The Cops last term and his wins at Donny and at the Cheltenham Festival certainly bring a smile to my visage. However, enthusiasm re him is tempered somewhat as over the summer his owners were very, very keen to sell him – as indeed they did for £220,000. Did they cash in because they thought he had ‘peaked’???
     
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  2. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Maybe Barney but I always wonder why anyone sells anything
     
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  3. TopClass

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    I think Annie Power v any of Faugheen, Douvan, or Vautour would be spectacular racing and a true sporting gesture by an owner.

    I think Annie Power v Inferior mares is a bit pointless when you are that far ahead of your sex. But if it's eggs in baskets the owner wants, that's what the owner gets.

    me personally if I have two horses capable of winning a proper classic race like a Champion Hurdle or Arkle or a Gold Cup or whatever it is, then they would race one another. But that's only my thoughts and as I'm not a multi millionaire, that's all they will be.
     
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  4. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor Staff Member

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    Never mind Rich Ricci and his abundance of riches, are we going to see Black Hercules jump a fence this winter? Could be a monster <ok>
     
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  5. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    Will be interesting to see a few of Wylies actually Oddy. He has a nice enough string under the care of Mullins this year.
     
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  6. niksboy

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    A couple that I'd like to ask about are Dynaste and L'ami Serge. Also Irish Cavalier and Champaigne Fever. I realise that it is far too early to know where they will be all aimed for but trying to second guess adds to the excitement of the Cheltenham build up.
     
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  7. cityhull

    cityhull Well-Known Member

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    I have decided I'm gonna do £10 a month on the following:
    Faugheen - Champion Hurdle
    Douvan - Arkle
    Annie Power - Mares Hurdle
    Un De Sceaux - Champion Chase
    Vautor - Cheltenham Gold Cup
    Pays about 199/1 currently
     
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  8. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Id be surprised if Vautour stayed 3m3, Don Cossack showed last years Gold Cup form up but hes never done it at Cheltenham so Don Poli is the one for me.
     
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  9. cityhull

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    As long as he stays 3m 2 1/2 furlongs I'll be happy
     
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  10. beeforsalmon

    beeforsalmon Well-Known Member

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    But then surely you'd say the RSA form was shown up by Don Poli's running at Punchestown? Or are you forgiving his run but not the 2 horses who ran themselves legless in the war of attrition that was the Gold Cup???
     
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  11. beeforsalmon

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    Duplicate post.
     
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  12. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    The Gold Cup was a glorified handicap last season, the novices looked a different class and one of them even won the big race, the RSA form isnt worth much on paper but the winner looks a good stayer, his run at Punchestown was obviously too bad to be true.
     
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  13. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    I love it when people write such tosh. The Gold Cup was run with the best horses available, and if that was a glorified handicap, so were all the staying races at Punchestown, Aintree, Kempton and Haydock. Then again, its easy to put a race down if its to emphasise your views/bets/feelings.
     
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    rudebwoy Well-Known Member

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    just going to say similar nass--der kaiser pocket talkin me thinks.....they all carried equal weight and therefore the best horse on the day won....dont forget how he won as well--made all !
     
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  15. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    I know it was the best horses available but what has that got to do with the quality of the race, the staying division has been rank rotten since the great ones retired, Denman, Kauto, Neptune, Imperial Commander then a young Long Run, different class from the shower of handicappers that have been contesting the Gold Cup the last few years, Bobs Worth was a good winner but he never replicated it. Thankfully some nice novices with potential have come along because the division needed it badly.
     
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  16. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    what the **** are you rabbling about pocket talk? when did I say the best horse didnt win? what a random statement
     
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  17. beeforsalmon

    beeforsalmon Well-Known Member

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    Crab the form when you don't like the result <ok>

    I think last years Gold Cup was decent. The real rubbish championship race IMO was the Queen Mother.
     
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  18. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    i was crabbing the form for months before the race, the result is irrelevant, if the 2nd or 3rd had won I wouldnt have liked the result
     
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  19. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    there was about 5 lengths between 9 horses 3 out last year, I cant even remember what I backed in the race, I remember saying the novices were different class from those handicappers all season though

    Daily Racing Thread Friday 13th. March 2015

    oh dear, look at me not liking the result <doh>
     
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  20. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    <laugh> madness right enough, the 25s for this year looks not bad though
     
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