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So you wouldn't moan about us not being able to defend for ****?
(in no way linked to Flanno being in the side)
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So you wouldn't moan about us not being able to defend for ****?
(in no way linked to Flanno being in the side)
Dif back then is we could out score opo so didnt matter how ****e our defence was,now we are ****e both ends
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I know Jenners, but Jimmy didn't stop moaning about our defence despite outscoring everyone. Basically, I was encouraging Jimmy to lose the plot again
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Send that to the owners sharpish gerrez
that is fecking shocking stats though for a manager who wants to play possesion football,
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Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool lose again: What is the philosophy now?
Brendan Rodgers must rediscover his philosophy if he is to turn things around for Liverpool, writes Adam Bate.
When one interviewer put it to Brendan Rodgers that this might be a 'season of transition' for Liverpool, you could sense the frustration of supporters. The Reds boss is into his fourth season in charge. Nine of the starting line-up that lost at Old Trafford are his signings. Many more have been and gone. What has happened to the plan?
"Our notion in the game is always to dominate the ball," said Rodgers last month. "I've been in football a long time and my emphasis has always been possession." But the 3-1 defeat to Manchester United saw Liverpool's possession drop below 50 per cent for the season. That number has decreased steadily over the course of his time as a Premier League manager.
His side allowed United to dominate the ball on Saturday. That would suggest Rodgers is moving away from the principles that have not only defined his coaching career but also helped get him the Liverpool job in the first place. Perhaps more significantly, there are signs that the man himself is concerned about the evolution of his own team.
"It's something that, over the first five games, I need to look at," Rodgers told Sky Sports. "Is it how we play? Because it's too easy for us at times to play direct in to Christian Benteke, who I thought was excellent. You have to want the ball, you have to get on the football to create opportunities."
Three goals in five games tells its own tale, but it's merely a continuation of the lack of attacking cohesion that has been a problem for Liverpool ever since Luis Suarez's departure. The Premier League goal tally slumped from 101 goals in 2013/14 to just 52 last season. Mario Balotelli has gone but the issues remain.
But the personnel is only part of the problem. Rodgers' selections confuse. A midfield trio of Emre Can, Lucas and James Milner appeared overly cautious against West Ham. Philippe Coutinho was forced to play wide, just as Danny Ings was asked to do at Old Trafford. For a coach who prides himself on tactical flexibility, Rodgers now seems wedded to 4-3-3.
"I don't understand this obsession with playing 4-3-3," Jamie Carragher toldSky Sports. "Brendan Rodgers came to the club wanting to play 4-3-3 and it didn't work. The great season they had was with two strikers and how they got them into the team is down to the manager. They've got a lot of strikers, no wide players, and he continues to play 4-3-3.
"I don't understand what the point was in playing Danny Ings in that wide position. He didn't give the support to Benteke. You think about how many strikers Liverpool have on the books and they have no wide players. They've only got Jordon Ibe. Firmino is not a wide player and Coutinho played there last week and he's not a wide player."
It's not only in attack that this is a problem. Joe Gomez has exceeded expectations but is not a natural left-back. Graeme Souness's "square pegs in round holes" assessment might even stretch to Simon Mignolet as a sweeper-keeper. The Belgian looked as uncomfortable as ever with the ball at his feet at the weekend.
"This is ridiculous," said Gary Neville on co-commentary as Liverpool invited pressure by passing the ball unconvincingly in their own defensive third. "It's everything you want from an away team. The crowd had gone quiet but it lifts them. Madness from Mignolet." But it's become the norm. Only Lukasz Fabianski misplaced more passes in his own half last season.
"The only time we were frightened was by our own mistakes," said Rodgers. But they continue to come. Any suggestion that Dejan Lovren has settled was undermined by his error against West Ham, while Martin Skrtel's apology of a challenge on Anthony Martial was a reminder that Rodgers is short of defenders on whom he can rely.
Most frustrating for fans was surely the poverty of ambition on show against their old rivals. Liverpool's total of 59 successful passes in the final third was their lowest since February and they didn't register a shot on target until Ings' mishit effort just shy of the hour mark. It was all a far cry from the swaggering 3-0 win at the same ground just 18 months ago.
There was a plan that day. For much of his reign, Rodgers has had one. But in the week that Jeremy Corbyn was named Labour leader, the need for a clear message is surely more apparent than ever. Liverpool fans need something - anything - to believe in. In short, even a questionable philosophy is preferable to the absence of one. Rodgers must now rediscover his.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...verpool-lose-again-what-is-the-philosophy-now
Brendan Rodgers must rediscover his philosophy if he is to turn things around for Liverpool, writes Adam Bate.
When one interviewer put it to Brendan Rodgers that this might be a 'season of transition' for Liverpool, you could sense the frustration of supporters. The Reds boss is into his fourth season in charge. Nine of the starting line-up that lost at Old Trafford are his signings. Many more have been and gone. What has happened to the plan?
"Our notion in the game is always to dominate the ball," said Rodgers last month. "I've been in football a long time and my emphasis has always been possession." But the 3-1 defeat to Manchester United saw Liverpool's possession drop below 50 per cent for the season. That number has decreased steadily over the course of his time as a Premier League manager.
His side allowed United to dominate the ball on Saturday. That would suggest Rodgers is moving away from the principles that have not only defined his coaching career but also helped get him the Liverpool job in the first place. Perhaps more significantly, there are signs that the man himself is concerned about the evolution of his own team.
"It's something that, over the first five games, I need to look at," Rodgers told Sky Sports. "Is it how we play? Because it's too easy for us at times to play direct in to Christian Benteke, who I thought was excellent. You have to want the ball, you have to get on the football to create opportunities."
Three goals in five games tells its own tale, but it's merely a continuation of the lack of attacking cohesion that has been a problem for Liverpool ever since Luis Suarez's departure. The Premier League goal tally slumped from 101 goals in 2013/14 to just 52 last season. Mario Balotelli has gone but the issues remain.
But the personnel is only part of the problem. Rodgers' selections confuse. A midfield trio of Emre Can, Lucas and James Milner appeared overly cautious against West Ham. Philippe Coutinho was forced to play wide, just as Danny Ings was asked to do at Old Trafford. For a coach who prides himself on tactical flexibility, Rodgers now seems wedded to 4-3-3.
"I don't understand this obsession with playing 4-3-3," Jamie Carragher toldSky Sports. "Brendan Rodgers came to the club wanting to play 4-3-3 and it didn't work. The great season they had was with two strikers and how they got them into the team is down to the manager. They've got a lot of strikers, no wide players, and he continues to play 4-3-3.
"I don't understand what the point was in playing Danny Ings in that wide position. He didn't give the support to Benteke. You think about how many strikers Liverpool have on the books and they have no wide players. They've only got Jordon Ibe. Firmino is not a wide player and Coutinho played there last week and he's not a wide player."
It's not only in attack that this is a problem. Joe Gomez has exceeded expectations but is not a natural left-back. Graeme Souness's "square pegs in round holes" assessment might even stretch to Simon Mignolet as a sweeper-keeper. The Belgian looked as uncomfortable as ever with the ball at his feet at the weekend.
"This is ridiculous," said Gary Neville on co-commentary as Liverpool invited pressure by passing the ball unconvincingly in their own defensive third. "It's everything you want from an away team. The crowd had gone quiet but it lifts them. Madness from Mignolet." But it's become the norm. Only Lukasz Fabianski misplaced more passes in his own half last season.
"The only time we were frightened was by our own mistakes," said Rodgers. But they continue to come. Any suggestion that Dejan Lovren has settled was undermined by his error against West Ham, while Martin Skrtel's apology of a challenge on Anthony Martial was a reminder that Rodgers is short of defenders on whom he can rely.
Most frustrating for fans was surely the poverty of ambition on show against their old rivals. Liverpool's total of 59 successful passes in the final third was their lowest since February and they didn't register a shot on target until Ings' mishit effort just shy of the hour mark. It was all a far cry from the swaggering 3-0 win at the same ground just 18 months ago.
There was a plan that day. For much of his reign, Rodgers has had one. But in the week that Jeremy Corbyn was named Labour leader, the need for a clear message is surely more apparent than ever. Liverpool fans need something - anything - to believe in. In short, even a questionable philosophy is preferable to the absence of one. Rodgers must now rediscover his.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...verpool-lose-again-what-is-the-philosophy-now
I have said it over and over, our passing game has disappeared. It was not there last season, it was for the two before that, even in his first season we pased well with no real penetration, then the year later we had SAS and lots of penetration, this season we can't play good possession football at all. We've not got the players for it and we've nothing that can find a magic pass from inside our own half. Lucas was our play maker v united
Also..
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I have said it over and over, our passing game has disappeared. It was not there last season, it was for the two before that, even in his first season we pased well with no real penetration, then the year later we had SAS and lots of penetration, this season we can't play good possession football at all. We've not got the players for it and we've nothing that can find a magic pass from inside our own half. Lucas was our play maker v united
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I don't think we've just decided to stop passing, I think other teams knowing we want to maintain possession so press us into making mistakes or playing it long and losing the ball. Combine that with the decrease in quality in our team and the figures are bound to drop.
and yes, the random comment about Corbyn was funny too
I don't think we've just decided to stop passing, I think other teams knowing we want to maintain possession so press us into making mistakes or playing it long and losing the ball. Combine that with the decrease in quality in our team and the figures are bound to drop.
and yes, the random comment about Corbyn was funny too
True but they tried that when we played the passing game and we could work the ball through. We had confidence to move the ball about well, now the playes just **** their pants
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Jurgen Klopp would be "a great fit at Liverpool," claims Reds legend Didi Hamann
Brendan Rodgers is under increasing pressure at Liverpool following the Reds' limp defeat at Manchester United and many Kopites have Lost faith in the Irishman
Liverpool legend Didi Hamann claims compatriot Jurgen Klopp would be "a great fit at Liverpool".
Brendan Rodgers is under increasing pressure at Liverpool following the Reds' limp defeat at bitter rivals Manchester United and many Kopites have lost faith in the Irishman.
There is no sign yet that American owners FSG are ready to end Rodgers' three-year reign at Anfield after allowing him to spend over £80million reshaping his Liverpool squad this summer.
Hamann senses that too, but says former Borussia Dortmund coach Klopp would be perfect for Liverpool if FSG did want to replace Rodgers.
Klopp is taking time out from the game after leaving Dortmund at the end of last season and Hamann does not believe he is necessarily waiting to succeed Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich.
Hamann told Sky Germany: "The pressure in Liverpool gets bigger. The fans are on the barricades. But the coach is backed by the club, and anyway the question is - would Klopp move there during the season?
"Had they asked before the season, I am 99 per cent sure that he would have joined them.
"Many people say that he will take over Bayern on July 1, 2016, but I don't know whether he's a fit there. He'd be a great fit at Liverpool."
Brendan Rodgers is under increasing pressure at Liverpool following the Reds' limp defeat at Manchester United and many Kopites have Lost faith in the Irishman
Liverpool legend Didi Hamann claims compatriot Jurgen Klopp would be "a great fit at Liverpool".
Brendan Rodgers is under increasing pressure at Liverpool following the Reds' limp defeat at bitter rivals Manchester United and many Kopites have lost faith in the Irishman.
There is no sign yet that American owners FSG are ready to end Rodgers' three-year reign at Anfield after allowing him to spend over £80million reshaping his Liverpool squad this summer.
Hamann senses that too, but says former Borussia Dortmund coach Klopp would be perfect for Liverpool if FSG did want to replace Rodgers.
Klopp is taking time out from the game after leaving Dortmund at the end of last season and Hamann does not believe he is necessarily waiting to succeed Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich.
Hamann told Sky Germany: "The pressure in Liverpool gets bigger. The fans are on the barricades. But the coach is backed by the club, and anyway the question is - would Klopp move there during the season?
"Had they asked before the season, I am 99 per cent sure that he would have joined them.
"Many people say that he will take over Bayern on July 1, 2016, but I don't know whether he's a fit there. He'd be a great fit at Liverpool."
We're not a passing side because we don't have enough ball players. We have an 18 year centre back playing left back, Skrtel and Lovren are awful on the ball and can't pass through lines, Milner and Henderson haven't got enough technical ability or intelligence to play quickly, and we have a big target man up front so the default is to play it long (not his fault).
This group of players are not set up to play fast football because a) they're not good enough, and b) there's no pace.
This group of players are not set up to play fast football because a) they're not good enough, and b) there's no pace.
Maybe I am going off on one too early, but this season has been a continuation of last season, with slightly less luck we'd be beneath Chelsea. We'd have lost 1 0 at arsenal and drew against Bournmouth we'd have 4 ****in points
It sounds like you've missed the boat on Klopp. Can't say I'm disappointed as I thought he could have potentially been brilliant over here, and he's a huge step up in class from Brent.
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It sounds like you've missed the boat on Klopp. Can't say I'm disappointed as I thought he could have potentially been brilliant over here, and he's a huge step up in class from Brent.
Old 'Arry's available
I heard a rumour the other day that Klopp was in line to take over the Dutch team. Would be quite funny, a German managing the Dutch side
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Think that was why he left because he knew he wouldn't be playing with flanno as e got injured.
Lets face it lads .. the manager has less class than expected .. he won't walk - he will need to be sacked. Lets hope the Americans suck it up and put the man out of his misery asap ... he is a walking embarrassment to a once great club .. emotion tells me this .. the stats now back it up ... so what are they waiting for .. beyond the pale ..
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“We’ve nothing to fear but fear itself” – Franklin D’s great rallying call to the American people in the depths of the Great Depression. It’s a line that’s been on my mind since the horrible West Ham defeat. Naturally, it was amplified on Saturday evening as Liverpool played fear football again, lost again, and Twitter burned.
Brendan Rodgers has the fear and it’s eating him and his Liverpool legacy game by game. And it’s sad. Remember “death by football”? Poor old Brendan is suffering death by football – but not his football. Instead, a football that goes against his blood. A football that he’s not very good at. A football he’s been cowed into playing in fear of his job, submitting to all those shrill voices shrieking “You cannot win Brendan’s way.” Submitting to all those who have called him naïve. Submitting to all those who see Crystal Palace two years ago as proof, whilst ignoring the fact that it was “his” football that got Liverpool where they were in the first place. That almost got them there. We could almost touch it. Genuinely almost touch it for the first time in over 20 years.
But you can’t play that way. Won’t win that way.
When Brendan Rodgers strode into Liverpool, I like probably everyone else had rather serious doubts. But I was tired of Liverpool in many ways. Tired of what we’d become. And Rodgers’ enthusiasm, his certainty in his young self and his idea for the club, fired my interest. It was a bold appointment, but having watched his Swansea and enjoyed his Swansea and become interested in his ability to play that kind of football with British players, I began to think – well, why not? Let’s do something different with somebody different. Maybe with better players, but the same approaches – maybe we’d have something that would be at the very least engaging.
And it was. The first season struggling to bring tiki taka to Anfield and the clear sense post-Christmas that something was stirring. And then that brilliant second season. The slow but winning start, and then the explosion at Spurs that lit the red touch paper.
That whole period, right up to Gerrard’s slip and the ensuing desperation at Palace, that despite the dismay, still left us with a shot at the title in the very last game of the season. All that was built on Rodgers’ self belief, his ability to instil confidence in his players, to get them to be brave and play his way. Rodgers talked early on about how he would give those players the belief by telling them that he would shoulder the blame for any failure.
It worked. It worked brilliantly at times – and saw Liverpool jump incredibly from a seventh place team to a team a game from glory.
Liverpool were searing. They were energetic. They were fast. They were bold. They were fun. This was Rodgers’ doing. I know some will insist that actually it was all down to Luis Suarez. But it simply wasn’t. If it were true that Suarez simply covered up Brendan’s failings, then why on earth did he not do likewise for Kenny Dalglish? Why didn’t he score all those goals for the King?
The answer of course is because Rodgers built a platform for Suarez, opened the game up for Suarez and Suarez delivered. As did Sturridge and Sterling, and many others. This was good management. This was great coaching. This was inspirational stuff.
Since then, of course, things have been less good and less than inspirational. There have been extenuating circumstances. I’m not going to outline them again – but there have been. There was even a period where it looked like Rodgers had rediscovered himself, solved the problems of not having a forward line and solved the problems in defence with his 3-4-3 that almost changed Liverpool’s season last time round.
But it was perhaps here, at the sharp end of last season, just when he had somehow put Liverpool back in top four contention, that Rodgers let in the fear and lost his way. Suddenly after a defeat at home to United, he lost confidence in his new system. He started listening to those who said it couldn’t work, that it’d be found out, that he’d be found out. And he lost his way.
Fear and doubt. A loss of belief. Joe Gomez this season epitomises all of this for me. Gomez is a talented defender plucked from obscurity. He’s got a future, no question. But his selection – although bold in some ways – is also a lot about fear. Alberto Moreno was bought for a brave Liverpool, an attacking Liverpool. But now he doesn’t play, because Liverpool are no longer brave, because Rodgers has lost his nerve. Instead, the talented defensive Gomez plays to stop Liverpool being exposed. He plays on the wrong side, unable to pose a threat going forward – but that has stopped being the club’s philosophy.
Moreno was bought as part of Brendan’s brave new world. But Brendan finds it hard to believe in it anymore. He can’t see it clearly any more. And if he can’t see it, then his players won’t see it.
And it’s a shame. It’s a shame that Rodgers may go out playing someone else’s football. I still hope he can find it within himself to go again. I’d love for him to at least try. And if it’s to be his death by football – at least let it be by his football.
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I vote Brendan Rodgers.
We don't have MITO here to add up our votes so we'll have to just keep track ourselves.
Brendan Rodgers: 1. Tennisball.
yet to vote: everyone.
We don't have MITO here to add up our votes so we'll have to just keep track ourselves.
Brendan Rodgers: 1. Tennisball.
yet to vote: everyone.
