If the Horn gets beat twice how can he be '3yo champion of their generation' like you're proclaiming him?
Because what he has done so far hasnt been topped by anyone else, pretty simple. Gleneagles hasnt even ran against a Group 1 horse this season, the Guineas 2nd got beat by that donkey Esoterique you slated earlier in the season and the rest of them are looking Group 3 at best. Ive lost count of the number of races he has dodged including Golden Horn at York last time. He hasnt a chance of getting Champion 3yo even if he wins the Irish Champion on the bridle. Golden Horn twice destroyed Jack Hobbs who went on to romp the Irish Derby and then beat the older horses in the Eclipse and a 2nd in another major open Group 1 to a horse everyone knows is inferior.
Der Kaiser, there is little point in arguing with Beefy, he is always right even if you trawl through his past postings and point out when he is being a hypocrite. You should know that Secretariat was not a champion because he got beaten once. We will probably find that by next week Golden Horn, Gleneagles and Legatissimo are all non-runners. Since the three year old fillies are allegedly better than the colts, Legatissimo should be running in the Irish Champion not the Matron. The three year old fillies must be better because we should take a 109-rated filly beating a 130-rated colt, with a 99-rated pacemaker a couple of lengths behind, literally at face value; which either makes Arabian Queen the best horse in Europe (better than Treve) or makes Gleneagles nearly a stone better than the Derby winner amongst three year olds. Hopefully everyone shows up at Leopardstown because what I want to see is the top horses race against each other, irrespective of who wins. In his reply to my post, he contradicted himself a couple of times and, apparently, I have compared Golden Horn to great horses so I will have to go and look through my archive of every post that I have ever made and see just when I did that. This originally started with Beefy immediately claiming there were no champion three year olds minutes after American Pharoah was beaten in the Travers (i.e. he cannot be a champion because he has been beaten).
1. The absolute irony of this first statement coming from you!!! 2. Woahhhh an archive....you must be a riot down the pub with your mates. This thread was meant to be celebrating a horse universally heralded as a great horse. It's a pity you've tried to turn it into a slagging match.
1. I will not quote the points in Beefy’s post and selectively highlight only the bits that are convenient to my argument; there was no defence of the hypocrisy accusation. 2. None of my mates down the pub are interested in horse racing. Occasionally they will ask whether I have won or lost that day but generally they are only really interested in football except on Grand National Saturday. As to my ‘archive’, this is a text file containing the posts that I have made so that I can quickly find previous quotes when I need to reference them. I can tell you that I have mentioned Golden Horn on 87 occasions (before this post) and I will happily take a £10,000 bet off anybody who wants to lose that much money claiming that I ever stated that Golden Horn is a great horse already. If you go back to the first paragraph of my original post on this thread (click the link to go to it), you will see that I did praise Hurricane Fly. No horse wins 22 Grade 1 races by fluke. In the second paragraph I accused Beefy of hypocrisy. Being English, I studied English at school; not Irish, not American, not Australian. English. So I think that I can safely say that nobody English would fail to interpret “And down goes the Pharoah No champions on the Flat lads. Roll on the jumps” as being a reference to American Pharoah being beaten in the Travers Stakes minutes before, ending an eight-race winning streak and insinuating, therefore, that he could not be a champion. Conclusion: any horse who finished with a defeat cannot be a champion. Let us not mention Hurricane Fly’s last three races...
