Match Day Thread 2015/16 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

[Tobes]

If LFC can top whatever group we get by playing origi, ibe, lallana, ings, lucas, rossiter, sahko, moreno, toure, ilori, bogdan... just an 11 who would not be in my LFC best team.. then its a great comp for us.

Not at all delusional there then....

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Help? Behave ffs.

You can't say it didn't have a negative impact based on your facts there either, as who's to say that without the comp those particular squads wouldn't have done even better domestically those seasons?

The overwhelming evidence is that it takes it's toll over the course of a season.

Well the fact says for us, city and Spurs, worst impact is has had is 1 dropped place, best impact is 2 improvement. Average it out and you probably find that for those 3 clubs your position increases by 1 place.

You oi can't be using facts then say if you didn't have it you might have done better. There's way too many things that could happen which could or couldn't make you be higher or lower, but the stats say, if you have the squad like those 3 teams do, it doesn't have a massive impact (massive being the key word) like the myth suggests.

 

[Tobes]

Dr is right... if long term goal is CL this teachs you how to play in europe, how to play 2 legs, how to manage your resources across 4 comps etc etc.

if that means you drop two league spots temporarily ok fine.


its when you see swansea end up bottom half and sack manager or everton really struggle then the fear comes in... but to actually be a big club you have to take on the challenge.

4th is not a goal its a stepping stone along the way to real success.

LFC failed that test last year.

So the aim of the competition is to hone your skills in Europe but in doing so you might lose 2 places in the league, which will put you out of Europe for the following season.

Genius logic right there

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Not at all delusional there then....

I said if not when.

noting that theres a few internationals in that pile and u21 internationals... well.... lets just say every away game i think we should be sending that team out.... get a draw at worst as instruction and then at home manage it a bit more tighlt with some mixing in of bette rplayers

 

[Tobes]

Well the fact says for us, city and Spurs, worst impact is has had is 1 dropped place, best impact is 2 improvement. Average it out and you probably find that for those 3 clubs your position increases by 1 place.

You oi can't be using facts then say if you didn't have it you might have done better. There's way too many things that could happen which could or couldn't make you be higher or lower, but the stats say, if you have the squad like those 3 teams do, it doesn't have a massive impact (massive being the key word) like the myth suggests.

You've been completely selective in which teams and years you've looked at there. If I could be arsed I'd go back a decade and compile the stats, as I know the overall impact is a negative one.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

So the aim of the competition is to hone your skills in Europe but in doing so you might lose 2 places in the league, which will put you out of Europe for the following season.

Genius logic right there

not if you win it.

I know you just think this is a free chance to wum

 

[Tobes]

not if you win it.

I know you just think this is a free chance to wum

So you'd have to win it to see the positive impact then?

And if you didn't? Then by your own words you'd have dropped back and out of he he European spots at home.

Not wumming at all, just ripping your ill thought out comments to shreds mate, get over it

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

You've been completely selective in which teams and years you've looked at there. If I could be arsed I'd go back a decade and compile the stats, as I know the overall impact is a negative one.

I've looked at theast 6 years and all the teams in it. Hardly selective

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

I think the Thurs / Sunday thing is partly psychological as you're playing after everyone else every week and it's not televised so there's not the lift that gives either.

Also don't forget that the travelling distances tend to be further in the EL, you're going to far flung Eastern European locations as opposed to skipping over to Northern Europe.

The Sunday games are televised more than the Sat games? Also, if a team above you have dropped points more incentive to win your game. Depends how you look at it.

All that should be irrelevant, just try your best to win every game you play


Also, this travelling business. Okay it may mess with the body clock a tad but they arent exactly on Ryanair are they. They can put their feet up while being pampered

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Bordeaux and Ruban so far (France and Russia).

 

[Tobes]

The Sunday games are televised more than the Sat games? Also, if a team above you have dropped points more incentive to win your game. Depends how you look at it.

All that should be irrelevant, just try your best to win every game you play


Also, this travelling business. Okay it may mess with the body clock a tad but they arent exactly on Ryanair are they. They can put their feet up while being pampered

The Sunday games post EL aren't televised, unless already on the Sky schedule that is.

It's a ****ing pain in the arse as a fan as well. I hated it tbh.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Group A: Ajax, Celtic, Fenerbahce

Group B: Rubin Kazan, Liverpool, Bordeaux

Group J: Tottenham, Anderlecht, Monaco.

just lifted from BBC.

All in all.... not so bad so far... but tottenham might feel more hard done by.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The Sunday games post EL aren't televised, unless already on the Sky schedule that is.

It's a ****ing pain in the arse as a fan as well. I hated it tbh.

I'd say it annoys fans more than teams.

half the games are after all at home...

Its sayin ok for these say 10 weeks you will be on sunday and not even getting money for it really. then that becomes now if i'm going to the game i'm going on sundays and then its... you are missing sunday diinner you are ruining our family etc etc.

women huh?

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Rubin Kazan
Liverpool
Bordeaux
Sion

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Group A: Ajax, Celtic, Fenerbahce, Molde....

ooops...

celtic will not be best pleased with this comp

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Sion the final team. (Swiss?)

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Rubin Kazan
Liverpool
Bordeaux
Sion

thats pretty fine really isn't it?

switerland and france for away trips is not exactly killer. <3 hours flights and i think they should be fun games..

sure one game in russia in the freezing cold aint ideal but you can simply send the stiff and go for 0-0 there

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Sion the final team. (Swiss?)

Yes
Quite good draw

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

The Sunday games post EL aren't televised, unless already on the Sky schedule that is.

It's a ****ing pain in the arse as a fan as well. I hated it tbh.

Ah right okay

Well its tough, basically we werent good enough for top 4 last yr and this is the next best thing

We need some coefficient points so if we do get back in CL we can avoid the 'harder' teams. Spuds now above us thats how far we've dropped!

 

[carlthejackal]

Dr is right... if long term goal is CL this teachs you how to play in europe, how to play 2 legs, how to manage your resources across 4 comps etc etc.

if that means you drop two league spots temporarily ok fine.


its when you see swansea end up bottom half and sack manager or everton really struggle then the fear comes in... but to actually be a big club you have to take on the challenge.

4th is not a goal its a stepping stone along the way to real success.

LFC failed that test last year.

I couldn't agree more.

These days whether UEFA and others like it not the premiership lords it over the CL in terms of prize money, TV revenues and other stuff. But if you want to be seen to be a big team you HAVE to be in it and do well. Just qualifying by being 2nd or 4th should not be an end in itself. Because now the money is not that great an incentive.

The point should be to do well in it. And that will increase the image and attraction to the top players. The fact that we did so badly and were so inept last year did a lot of damage.

The CL last year confirmed to me that Rodgers was simply not good enough to be our manager. Can anyone honestly say to me that any premiership manager would have done worse than him? in the premiership too, given the resources at his disposal?

Let's face the truth. We spend like a top 4 club but play like a mid table team. It has been like this for the last 2 decades and Rodgers is and will never be the answer. Unless he manages to deal successfully with both domestic and European matches. Treating Europe as some inconvenience will backfire.