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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Madrid_Ranger

    Madrid_Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I´d be very happy to say that they are stupid self centered people easily led/influenced by other self interested, devious, greedy individuals.
     
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    Interesting and panic-inducing (in some) immigration figures today. Though still dwarfed by what the Germans are experiencing, and proportionately by many other EU countries, no denying the figures are big. Of the 636,000 new entrants, only 25,000 are asylum seekers.

    The Adam Smith Institute (not a part of the so called 'liberal elite' I think) reckons immigration of both skilled and unskilled people benefits UK wages and jobs. Employers organisations are arguing that the cap on skilled non EU immigrants needs to be raised, and NHS leaders are threatening yet more doom as this cap means they can't fill nursing posts.

    No matter, it's the Government's populist policy to cut immigration massively, even though it's clearly beyond their control at the moment to do this. They could remove all benefits from EU immigrants (I think even they would balk at just picking on Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians) and take the hit on similar privilges being removed from the 1.8m Brits living elsewhere in the UK. But surely, as most EU member states will not budge on freedom of movement within the EU, it's inevitable that we will leave the EU and spend a couple of years trying to work out the rights of citizens already here or Brits elsewhere.
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    It's utterly ridiculous to put a cap on skilled immigration.
     
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    Yep. Depends what the Government is driven by though. At the moment it seems to be raw numbers.
     
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    ...apparently 13% of the population was born abroad. But that includes people like Boris Johnson and the girl from the Harry Potter films. Let's hope we kick em all out.
     
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    Don't really see an issue with it when the vast majority are contributing positively. I have more of an issue with those born here who choose to avoid working.
     
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    Another good stat from today - of all working age immigrants, 7% are claiming benefits. Compared to 15% of working age Brits.

    To be clear, I'm playing devil's advocate here, I personally don't have any problem with immigration either economically or culturally, and am irritated by the prospect of Government action that may make it more complicated/less convenient for me to work abroad.
     
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    There's definitely too much of an island mentality at times and an arrogance that we don't need languages as English is so popular. I studied for a year in Spain and that's the norm in every European country outside of the UK and Ireland. People should be encouraged to live, study, work abroad.
     
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    I see Donald Trump wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants and withdraw citizenship rights from their children born in the US.

    Fair play, though, he did say he'd let the 'good ones' back in again.
     
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    I'm off to the US on Sunday, to a very Republican state, I will be quizzing the locals on their Trump opinions. It can't actually happen, can it?
     
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    The tories chose a particularly busy news day to release figures on deaths within 14 days of a fit to work decision for claimants of ESA.

    Shockingly abstract numbers given without any context so no clear analysis can be performed.

    Basically 80 people a month are dead within 14 days of being given a clean bill of health.

    I suspect it wouldn't take much for the same people to compile a percentage mortality rate of JSA claimants and a national figure of the entire population and then see how it all compares but that might invite greater scrutiny.

    Sickeningly evasive by IBS and his wretched department after lengthy calls for the information.
     
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    It's a scary thought. Trump would make Dubya seem like FDR.
     
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    I'm confident that the attack ads will kill him off, sure he has a past that is truly disgusting and possibly illegal, that the moral majority will not stomach. But the same people actively hate Hilary Clinton.
     
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    It seems the Democrats have their very own version of Jezza in Bernie Sanders. Politics is getting more interesting on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Perhaps you should ask the rednecks what they make of Sanders.
     
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    Nothing surprises me with American politics, they are beginning to mirror this country in being left/liberal in big city states and right/hawks in the remainder. After a lack-lustre Obama a lurch in the opposite direction seems inevitable...
     
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    Wow what lovely Lenin Love Fest on here, you'll all be comparing corduroy elbow pads next :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    But how does that 7% compare as a % of number of immigrants?
    The welfare system in the UK now requires a complete overhaul, it is exhausted and soon will be beyond repair, far too many false claims, too generous a system in fact the system promotes lazyness. I cannot think of any other country where you are entitiled to something even if you never had any ties nor have ever contributed one penny to the system. Amazing.
     
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    Will never happen, life is too good in the UK only top professionals would really consider a move abroad where their salaries and expectations can be matched. Above all a massive language barrier, there are no multi-lingual help desks at the town-halls/police stations, no free translations services.
    Maybe the english footballers should start the exodus?
     
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    760,000 people in Britain claiming Job Seekers Allowance, 65,000 of these are non British EU citizens (non EU immigrants already have to wait and demonstrate they have contributed before getting benefits rights). Another 30,000 Brits claim unemployment benefit in other EU countries. So as the percentages I gave originally, you are half as likely to be claiming unemployment benefit if you are an EU immigrant than if you are British. For overall benefits, 4.7m Britons are claiming some kind of benefits (excluding state pensions) compared to 370,000 immigrants (down 25% over the last 3 years).
    So the 300,000 Britons who emigrated last year were all multilingual top flight executives. Yet, despite this massive drain on our top earners, last month was the record income tax take for the UK.

    So you ran away from the UK because you didn't like Blair. Where will you run to when Podemos gets in in Spain? Back here?
     
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    My work break has finished so back off to France. So many people are now commuting from France/Spain to the UK ... Without doubt the next big trend and how crazy is it that it's cheaper to live abroad and work in London.
    Son number three we are looking at another house next Thursday you will love it
     
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