HCST opens new dialogue with Club management

[Fez]

Discuss what it public? Whether we should diiscuss whether or not to discuss peoples ideas for the trust in public? It's what we're doing now. Email, ask for an open forum where it can be organised & done properly. This is not the best place for it.

What you appear to want is an open floor to air your grievance against ex committee members of the now defunct single issue group CTWD because you believe they did nothing about your seat eviction.

Fire away with your idea or suggestion number 1.

If folk (DMD and whoever else agrees?) want an open and honest debate why don't they simply start a thread for that purpose - why leave it to the committee that seems to be considered overbearing and not necessary for this function?
Moderating it should be a cinch as the main person calling for it is a mod and I am sure the other mods would play a fair and open-handed role to assist. If, as has been stated, this board and it's users are the ideal means to achieve this conversation/discussion, then start the thread with the outline points that need discussing - there should be no need for it to be a sticky as it would seem it would be so popular it will spend it's life being constantly bumped.
The open floor is right here, it is open to all and sundry - if they become members (a bit like HCST - ironic that, hey ) - instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist why not just do it?

 

[DMD]

If folk (DMD and whoever else agrees?) want an open and honest debate why don't they simply start a thread for that purpose - why leave it to the committee that seems to be considered overbearing and not necessary for this function?
Moderating it should be a cinch as the main person calling for it is a mod and I am sure the other mods would play a fair and open-handed role to assist. If, as has been stated, this board and it's users are the ideal means to achieve this conversation/discussion, then start the thread with the outline points that need discussing - there should be no need for it to be a sticky as it would seem it would be so popular it will spend it's life being constantly bumped.
The open floor is right here, it is open to all and sundry - if they become members (a bit like HCST - ironic that, hey ) - instead of complaining about something that doesn't exist why not just do it?

Two or three reasons come straight to mind.

One is, the rather obvious suggestion has been tried, but tends to lead to the same bits of abuse from some seemingly threatened by it.
Another is, we're not the ones claiming to represent everyone. The onus is squarely on those making that claim to demonstrate it.
A third is that a discussion by people on here, doesn't necessarily mean it will feed into the trust process.

I'm glad you agree that the discussions certainly need to take place on here. Let's see if it's finally encouraged and the feelings produced are taken on board by those claiming to represent us.

People also seem limited in thinking it's about listing specific points, it isn't. It's about nurturing discussion to develop a feeling or ethos. That should then turn into a discussion of possible outcomes. I see more people contributing in public has to be better than a small group in private.

 

[Fez]

I'd like to request an explanation from Mark why he thought posting the hip flask on Twitter was a good idea and if he still thinks it's funny.

I'd also like to know if he thinks those actions are acceptable from the chairman of a supporters trust who need to build bridges with the family who own the club.

Finally I wonder if he'd be prepared to apologise for the ill advised tweet and photo.

Contact him and ask him, it really wouldn't be difficult.

 

[DMD]

Contact him and ask him, it really wouldn't be difficult.

He has, by posting on here, one or other of the reps can raise it on his behalf and has the added bonus that more people can be involved in the reply and discussion. Piece of piss.

Let's face it, the message in the OP is about wider discussion and more input.

 

[Fez]

We have a rep from here on the FWG to take questions and hopefully bring back answers, but is there a rep from here on the trust? If not, should there be one?

Why? We have a membership for that purpose, the membership voted in a committee to represent them; are you asking the same question of the HCOSC?

Two or three reasons come straight to mind.

One is, the rather obvious suggestion has been tried, but tends to lead to the same bits of abuse from some seemingly threatened by it.

Another is, we're not the ones claiming to represent everyone. The onus is squarely on those making that claim to demonstrate it.

A third is that a discussion by people on here, doesn't necessarily mean it will feed into the trust process.

I'm glad you agree that the discussions certainly need to take place on here. Let's see if it's finally encouraged and the feelings produced are taken on board by those claiming to represent us.

People also seem limited in thinking it's about listing specific points, it isn't. It's about nurturing discussion to develop a feeling or ethos. That should then turn into a discussion of possible outcomes. I see more people contributing in public has to be better than a small group in private.

Your 'One': so what would change under your thinking? I really don't see much constructive in what (Yeesss, sorry Aluko just scored!! ) you say, just an endless torrent of criticism and negativity of people who are doing something - you might not like it, but others do, quite a few more than I have seen disliking them.

Your 'Another'; you're nit-picking and you know it.

Your 'A third'; so why ask for it on here? What do you suggest should happen to make it happen? I think members, such as me, can raise points if we feel they are worthwhile, if we don't we won't, that's life - perhaps the person who raised the point should ensure it is pushed? It is not beyond the reasonable wit of man to make deliberate avoidance very obvious.

Your 'I'm glad you agree that the discussions certainly need to take place on here' - where did I say that? You're at it again!!


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[balkan tiger]

He has, by posting on here, one or other of the reps can raise it on his behalf and has the added bonus that more people can be involved in the reply and discussion. Piece of piss.

Let's face it, the message in the OP is about wider discussion and more input.

How do you edit a post without it saying Edit in the corner? Is it a Mod Thing?

 

[Fez]

He has, by posting on here, one or other of the reps can raise it on his behalf and has the added bonus that more people can be involved in the reply and discussion. Piece of piss.

Let's face it, the message in the OP is about wider discussion and more input.

That's bollocks and both you and Happy know it. I was less than impressed with Flaskgate and I expressed my thoughts on it and Mark's position as Chairman - a vote took place to keep him and I accepted that. Flaskgate was something posted by someone other than Mark on social media, Mark does not read this board, Happy uses the same social media that Mark and that individual use, so stop boring us all, use the same media to ask the question and, if it is felt necessary, enlighten us all with any response - but don't anyone bust a gut because it is done and dusted. Piece of piss.

 

[DMD]

Why? We have a membership for that purpose, the membership voted in a committee to represent them; are you asking the same question of the HCOSC?



Your 'One': so what would change under your thinking? I really don't see much constructive in what (Yeesss, sorry Aluko just scored!! ) you say, just an endless torrent of criticism and negativity of people who are doing something - you might not like it, but others do, quite a few more than I have seen disliking them.

Your 'Another'; you're nit-picking and you know it.

Your 'A third'; so why ask for it on here? What do you suggest should happen to make it happen? I think members, such as me, can raise points if we feel they are worthwhile, if we don't we won't, that's life - perhaps the person who raised the point should ensure it is pushed? It is not beyond the reasonable wit of man to make deliberate avoidance very obvious.

Your 'I'm glad you agree that the discussions certainly need to take place on here' - where did I say that? You're at it again!!


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Once again, Fez thinks he knows better than me what I mean, despite me pointing out time and gain, my comments on thentrustbare constructive criticism, which a strong trust should welcome.

I guess it could be argued that me pointing out you're building your own strawman yet again (your immitation's not really flattery) and spouting bollocks could be abuse, I reckon it falls more into fair comment.

 

[DMD]

That's bollocks and both you and Happy know it. I was less than impressed with Flaskgate and I expressed my thoughts on it and Mark's position as Chairman - a vote took place to keep him and I accepted that. Flaskgate was something posted by someone other than Mark on social media, Mark does not read this board, Happy uses the same social media that Mark and that individual use, so stop boring us all, use the same media to ask the question and, if it is felt necessary, enlighten us all with any response - but don't anyone bust a gut because it is done and dusted. Piece of piss.

It's bollocks that the trust reckon we have two reps on here and encourage discussion?

What a funny thing you are.

 

[DMD]

Ho hum. I can't begin to imagine where this all goes next now Fez is on the job. .

 

[DMD]

How do you edit a post without it saying Edit in the corner? Is it a Mod Thing?

No idea, what did edit?. There's an option for 'editing silently' but it's unticked.

Editing now. There are two options..edit silently and clear last edit info. Both are unticked. Why do you ask?

 

[Fez]

It's bollocks that the trust reckon we have two reps on here and encourage discussion?

What a funny thing you are.

Haven't you argued in the past that folk post as individuals and not in role (Mod; HCST rep, etc.) unless they expressly state otherwise. You seem to have had an epiphany of convenience, again.

What a sad thing you are, when it suits you.

 

[DMD]

Haven't you argued in the past that folk post as individuals and not in role (Mod; HCST rep, etc.) unless they expressly state otherwise. You seem to have had an epiphany of convenience, again.

What a sad thing you are, when it suits you.

In what way does that change anything I've put? The trust have a log in to use for that explicit purpose.

 

[Fez]

Ho hum. I can't begin to imagine where this all goes next now Fez is on the job. .

Discuss it Dutch, stop your childish deflection calling on folk to support you, do what you've been preaching; you started it, but here we go again, you can't stand the truth.

 

[DMD]

Discuss it Dutch, stop your childish deflection calling on folk to support you, do what you've been preaching; you started it, but here we go again, you can't stand the truth.

Are you pissed?

You're not offering anything for discussion. You're doing your usual thread killing trick of inventing meaning beyond what was posted.

Also, as I made clear earlier, I'm not the one claiming to represent fans, the onus is on those doing that to demonstrate that they are. It's for them to facilitate discussion, not so much on specifics, but on general topics.

 

[balkan tiger]

No idea, what did edit?. There's an option for 'editing silently' but it's unticked.

Editing now. There are two options..edit silently and clear last edit info. Both are unticked. Why do you ask?

The post of yours that i quoted looked different to the first time i saw it.

 

[Fez]

Once again, Fez thinks he knows better than me what I mean, despite me pointing out time and gain, my comments on thentrustbare constructive criticism, which a strong trust should welcome.

I guess it could be argued that me pointing out you're building your own strawman yet again (your immitation's not really flattery) and spouting bollocks could be abuse, I reckon it falls more into fair comment.

Your first sentence make no sense. Are you referring to the bit where you falsely represented what I put to try and give your pathetic whinging substance? Desperate stuff, even by your standards. No strawman from me, just an observation of you doing your normal diversion, leading to your normal circular arguments. Give it up, open your thread and get some real discussion going, go on, you know you want to - don't you? Or is it all bluster and bullshit?

 

[DMD]

The post of yours that i quoted looked different to the first time i saw it.

Right. I don't know then. It sounds like it's one I could have added to later, but I've no idea why the thing at the bottom doesn't show.

It doesn't look to be showing on my earlier reply to you either.

 

[DMD]

Your first sentence make no sense. Are you referring to the bit where you falsely represented what I put to try and give your pathetic whinging substance? Desperate stuff, even by your standards. No strawman from me, just an observation of you doing your normal diversion, leading to your normal circular arguments. Give it up, open your thread and get some real discussion going, go on, you know you want to - don't you? Or is it all bluster and bullshit?

Yep, you're obviously pissed. I think I predicted your replies earlier in this thread. You need new material.

 

[Fez]

Are you pissed?

You're not offering anything for discussion. You're doing your usual thread killing trick of inventing meaning beyond what was posted.

Also, as I made clear earlier, I'm not the one claiming to represent fans, the onus is on those doing that to demonstrate that they are. It's for them to facilitate discussion, not so much on specifics, but on general topics.

No I'm not pissed just one of many pissed off with your constant sniping that has no point or direction. Your meaning changes with the wind, stop your normal boring stuff of claiming ****e to mask your stupidity.

I'm not the one asking for discussion, you are, give us something other than whinging. Didn't you tell us all, earlier in the thread, that we don'y need the Trust or it's committee to have the discussion, they don't need to be arbiters and judges:

So why not, not only make that explicitly clear in the communications, but also actively carry it out? By that I mean facilitate discussions, encouraging comments and showing that thoughts are considered and built upon, not just dismissed with abuse?

It'd be good to see some actions initiated by fans/members, rather than a committee telling people what's happening and asking them to like it. There's a good depth of knowledge and experience on a variety of topics among our supporters, it'd be beneficial if these could be utilised. I feel that would help recruitment and limit people expecting others to do things for them.

Things raised don't necessarily have to go to the committee. They don't need to be arbiters and judges.

If things don't have to go to the committee then crack on without them for ****s sake.

 

[Fez]

Once again, Fez thinks he knows better than me what I mean,

I don't think you know what you mean.