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Match Day Thread QPR v ATALANTA
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Hoillet goes to Booklet on my phone...
My phone has a higher regard for Junior than my tablet which always goes to Toilet when I type in Hoillet
The independent R's have posted a good report on the match.
http://www.indyrs.co.uk/2015/08/qpr-1-atalanta-bc-1/
Was our formation 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1?
Or was it just "fluid"?
http://www.indyrs.co.uk/2015/08/qpr-1-atalanta-bc-1/
Was our formation 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1?
Or was it just "fluid"?
It’s not so much that he’s a better tackler, what’s important is he does it more or certainly no less often. I’m using stats to support my opinion. I’m not basing my opinion on statistics. That’s an important difference. So chucking out an easy ready-made quote doesn’t mean you can dismiss stats. You simply cant.
Henry is in this magic world where he is perceived as being ‘an enforcer’. So he doesn’t need to help us create goals or worry too much about keeping possession in offensive areas because he’s an enforcer, not a ball player. So that’s not his responsibility.
But then we’re not supposed to consider, that seeing as he gives next to nothing going forward, does he actually do that much more defensively than the alternatives in that position to justify his lack of contribution in an attacking sense…
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/karl-henry#clubsTabsDefending
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/joey-barton#clubsTabsDefending
Henry made a total of 4 blocks last season. That at an average of 1 block every 0.12 matches, and he made 23 clearances at an average of 0.7 a match
Joey Barton (whats he, a ‘ball player’ or an ‘enforcer’?) made 22 blocks at an average of 0.79 a match and 68 clearances at an average of 2.43 a match.
Now I know you don’t like to worry about facts/ statistics in any sense. But it is a bit weird that when looking at last season the ‘enforcer’ Karl Henry who is there to break up play and stop attacking moves makes so many fewer blocks and clearances than you might otherwise expect.
Others including you have a perception that he is an enforcer. Breaking up play keeping us secure and allowing others to do their thing.
My perception of Henry is that he is a passenger. He gives little if anything at all going forward, and gives little and possibly even less than others in the same position defensively and certainly not enough to justify his inclusion.
Now all that is down to perception and opinion, but the only supporting evidence there is, are stats and they seem to support my perception.
Faurlin may well not play 40 games but alternative options to Henry in the holding role are also Luongo, Diakite, Gladwin (he’s played centre back and left back so can defend), and this new Dutch bloke coming in.
As a back’s against the wall, I would rather a centre midfielder who can win the ball, then pick a pass, relieving pressure on the back 4 by helping us get possession further up the field and even creating a goal (think Reading away to Routledge when down to ten men with an inch perfect pass).
The playing left wing and marking a right back. Is also a funny example. Right back’s aren’t the most impressive people to nullify in a game and in any case we lost that game 1-0. Now we were playing Chelsea that day and no guarantee we would score but Henry from the left isn’t exactly a guaranteed source of goals.
Playing Henry when we are trying to survive and scrap a 0-0 has more of a case but next year we need to win games and I do not see a case for him giving so much defensively that we can write a midfielder off from contributing towards us scoring.
I’d say more 4-2-3-1. No way Luongo can be considered as playing as far forward as Chery.
Chery did drop deep one or two times and collect the ball but I think that was more during a period when we were struggling and he was starved of possession
I won't bother with a stats battle Damage, but there's certain intangibles that you need within a playing squad.
Nullifying Ivanovic wasn't impressive and is a funny example? I don't think so mate. Ivanovic often marauds forward and is involved in Chelsea's play and Henry out of position cut that straight out. Perhaps if your mate Matt Phillips could finish instead of shooting straight at the keeper we might have got the win eh?
Luongo...not a holding mid, Gladwin.....not a holding mid.....Diakite....I'd argue he's more box to box like Luongo.
Henry's experience and knowledge of the league will stand us in good stead. Think you'll find this is probably the opinion shared by the majority.
It's what happens on the pitch, starting Saturday that matters, not the shirts.
As long as QPR are doing ok, we could play in sky blue pink with green spots for all I care.
Well if you could find any stats that backed up your point you obviously would use it.
Ivanovic is a funny example as it emphasises my point. A left midfielder is normally a main source of creativity and goals. Henry was never going to do that playing in that position, so did he do enough playing that role and sacrificing creativity and chances of scoring? Well seeing as we lost that game, and conceded without scoring I would say its certainly not a conclusive yes, and hardly a big endorsement of his plus points to pick out that specific game. Is also funny that you then picked out Philips moving responsibility to him… more of the its not Henry’s fault he’s not responsible for any of that.
Were you at the game yesterday? Luongo literally played in a holding role. Clear tactic that he was under instruction from Ramsey to play a disciplined role deep in the midfield. Rarely breaking forward and playing much deeper than you might have otherwise expect. And if Ramsey was to instruct Gladwin to play the holding role, he could of course play that role. Question is would he do a better job than Ramsey. With Ramsey’s new emphasis on our style requiring players with technical ability I’d say there is a fair chance.
It's difficult to judge on a limited time on the pitch both for and against. Comparisons come in all shapes for example Caulkers 8m price tag and performances last season and a free (I think) signing in hall may be bargain of the season.
We must have been at different games cos luongo never played in a holding role yesterday. Faurlin did then henry
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Even if I did provide statistics, it wouldn't promote a discussion with you would it? It would just turn it to a trade off where you'd try and claim the high ground at whatever cost.
You don't rate Henry and that's fine, fully entitled to your opinion, but don't go typing endless bullshit drivel to try and sway mine. You end up making yourself look a complete prick.
I've never blocked anyone's posts on here but with you I might have to. Have a think about what a forum is mate, you're not the high and mighty opinion, you're a contributor like all of us.
On my phone so can't copy the link but Rangers match report about the game says, "Rangers lined up in a 4-2-3-1 formation from the begining"
"In Midfield Massimo Luongo and Ale Faurlin were deployed just in front of the back four".
On 55 mins Karl Henry replaced... Luongo
On 61 mins Diakité replaced Faurlin
TWGWTDT
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Then Faurlin IMO isn't as good as Henry as Faurlin doesn't not sniff out danger the way Henry does
Faurlin is no water carrier
Henry is and keeps the shape of the team tight
If he plays then I fully expect him to become a straight selection
I agree that Faurlin will play better football individually but has no where near the disapline that Henry has
It's a forum for debating QPR. I put my point across and pick up on where I think people are mistaken and sustain my arguments.
I also point out flaws in opinion's of others and where this can't be sustained it's an easy option to get stroppy as Durbar and Elnino have recently.
Do what you like. If you think i'm talking bullshit then fine. You can block, ignore or tell me why i'm talking bull **** if you can manage it. Easy route of course is to apply censorship and exist in happy bubble where you don't doubt your unchallenged opinions
TWGWTDT
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Nope not correct IMO
On away games on a wet Tuesday night I would pick Henry every time
Probably our best player last year IMO and that from a very poor team
He collects he gives it simple
Odd mistake but is rarely out of position Faurlin 5 years ago was excellent but always stretching or trying to catch up ... Not my idea of a deep midfielder Faurlin is a quarter back and is much more creative I agree but I think you are wrong and don't agree with your ideas
TWGWTDT
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As long as he don't push it too far. The Doctor's have already warned him about his stress levels and he doesn't want to end up back on that ward
This comes down to perception and is where our opinion differs. Stats do support my side but obviously you aren't alone in your opinion against this.
Nice to know not everyone is in a strop and I've disagreed and agreed with you as much as anyone on here.
I'm passionate about Rangers and put my point across. Said everything else in response to last response to Escape Goat.
If that's the case the I genuinely mean this let me know what I've said. But if its a case of people being sensitive because they are starting to doubt their opinions or being unable to support them or contradict what I say then I'm not too worried
Personally think its worse if like you your only contribution to this debate is a cheek little insult on someone's name