What will your reaction really be?
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What I find incredible is that we can all see what's happening in front of our eyes. A fan base imploding, owners and fans at loggerheads, fans of the SAME club booing each other and arguing and falling out. And yet, and yet, there are people like patty and happy and sunbeam who still want to defend the cause of it all.
The Allams are tearing this club apart. And you're just letting to happen. It beggars belief.
And don't say it's the fans causing it all, because you know it's not.
Hull City fandom is going down the ****-pan and I can't believe how it's being allowed to happen. Or should I say, 'been' allowed to happen.
Oh, you.
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I for one have no faith or trust in his ability to run a football club if our size. end of. Maybe Papa Allam bought Ehab the History of Hull City AFC manual to help him on his way (to destroying the club) from within.
95% of the players - staff and fans have no trust in the Allams anymore. The point being that we now know that The Allams are fudging it and telling us porkies
95% of the players - staff and fans have no trust in the Allams anymore. The point being that we now know that The Allams are fudging it and telling us porkies
Fair post. But the genesis of all this is the Allams and the name change and contempt for fans, surely? If that hadn't have happened we wouldn't have needed unity in this way....?
Okay, we've been dealt the hand and maybe it could all be done in a better way. But the cards should never have been cut in the first place.
Whatever people do now, the blame lies squarly at the feet of the Allams.
The name change is certainly the fault of the Allams. The outcome and splits between fans can be blamed on that, but you can't ignore the fact that there seems little attempt to generate unity between fans and provide a voice at a time when I'd expect it to be beneficial.
What can be seen are numerous actions and missinformation that can only cause more disharmony, sometimes it turns out the anger was misplaced. There's also been limited opportunity taken for true open discussion and for fans to contribute.
I can see what you're saying and it makes sense in a way.
However, I see no wriggle room at all. The problem is so divisive there's no middle ground.
We've made our feelings known. And I am not willing to compromise. This whole situation is wrong, the Allams are wrong. Those fans who are behind the Allams make my skin crawl.
I'm a stubborn bastard, yes. And on this, I will not change my stance.
Crazy situation really. I'm willing to compromise on most things. But never on this.
I renewed this season against my better judgement. I have had a pass for approximately 20 odd years and the only reason I renewed is because I go to City with two of my oldest mates, with young families and hectic lives it's about the only times we get to catch up. If the name change does go through then I will return my pass.
I fell out of love with football 12 months ago when my Mum died - more important things to life etc. To top it off the Livermore situation, the useless pieces of **** we signed, the pathetic performances at home and the Allam bollocks have really left me feeling quite indifferent to it. Not to mention the released players scenario which has been discussed to death - players we should have retained. We have now helped strengthen Brighton, Reading and Derby - Foolishly.
I fell out of love with football 12 months ago when my Mum died - more important things to life etc. To top it off the Livermore situation, the useless pieces of **** we signed, the pathetic performances at home and the Allam bollocks have really left me feeling quite indifferent to it. Not to mention the released players scenario which has been discussed to death - players we should have retained. We have now helped strengthen Brighton, Reading and Derby - Foolishly.
I've not renewed because I'm moving to Lincoln in September. I'll make the home games in September and the cup game away if the name remains Hull City. If he's successful in his name change I won't go to another game until he's gone and the name's changed back.
Already not renewed.
I'd like to think I'd return, but to be honest I think it's dead from the inside already, and it ****ing stinks.
**** Hull Tigers and **** football generally.
I'd like to think I'd return, but to be honest I think it's dead from the inside already, and it ****ing stinks.
**** Hull Tigers and **** football generally.
In fairness it's arguably a joke to make it seem like fans lack of unity is Allams fault. How long have you been on this forum? Even during the Allam honeymoon before the name change proposal and even before Allams there was very little unity. There's only unity between the majority on here. You get slagged off for having a different opinion no matter how petty the subject matter is.
Perhaps not on a scale of boos during the match but there were plenty of arguments over starting XIs, over sacking of PB and NB, over player treatment, over transfers, over stadium policies, over people leaving matches early, over those not singing and the list goes on...
Of course the name change proposal and therefore the Allams are directly to blame for the very specific arguments over the name change but as a whole it is not that different to other seasons. This argument feels more personal so it affects people a little deeper but fan unity in general is pretty much a myth. This forum is a prime example.
Football forums, in my opinion, are like fans talking, arguing over a few pints in the pub - since the first football team was picked and watched by ''the man in the street'' (the fans), he's been able to pick a FAR better team than the professional manager, ditto with manager sackings - some agree and some don't, that's the nature of football, however, after all those arguments and disagreements in the pub and on football forums, come Saturday afternoon everyone's behind the team.
What we have now runs far deeper than any childish name calling over team and manager selections; neither Boothferry Park, or the KC stadium had ever had such fan against fan hostility than it has now.
What a load of crap ^^^^^^ this. 95% indeed ffs.
Whilst Steve Bruce is in complete charge of all matters football that is the most important issue.
If,as I think is the case, most disagree with the name change, which is the root of the problem it can't solely be the Allams setting fan against fan.
Some on here behave in a very similar way to the failings they lay at the door of the Allams, with misleading comments and allegations and abuse of City fans as well as a seeming contempt for their views.
I think most are in agreement on the root cause, it's actions beyond that that add to the disharmony.
What a load of crap ^^^^^^ this. 95% indeed ffs.
Whilst Steve Bruce is in complete charge of all matters football that is the most important issue.
The more you post the bigger ****ing idiot you prove yourself to be.
I will never get to your size. Nor agree with morons like you.
You are so stupid your not even capable of a reasoned debate.
in answer to the question, quite simple, I will be gone. I havnt renewed and wont until I see he gets a NO from the FA and then the reaction. If it is a yes, then I will not go again until it is changed back to what it always has been. Anyone doesn't like that - tough.
Good stuff
Just so you know where I’m coming from (and to bore Chazz)…
As I’ve said elsewhere on here, watching Hull City has been a hobby for me. A really enjoyable hobby which I’ve loved over the years. I have other interests too. Interests that have seen me join in forums to chat and debate.
When there were rumblings of the Allams wanting to change the name, I looked online at Hull City forums to see if people felt that it was wrong, like I did.
The forums I looked at were AN and CI.
When the name change proposal went ahead I joined AN and let my feelings be known. But it was on CI that someone posted something like “CI is poo, not606 is best!”
I’d seen posts about not606 all over, but that one made me take a look at this forum. I thought it was good so I joined and started posting.
So I joined here because of what was happening with the Allams and name change etc. I think proper arguments about manager sackings, starting XI’s, player treatment etc are all fair game for heated debates. If I’d joined in with that stuff, I’d have had heated debates with people, no doubt. However, I’d still have respected the person I’m arguing with. Had a pint with him/her before the match. Agreed to disagree.
But the name change situation is so different. It’s not a football argument. It’s an argument of history and identity. To be walked all over or not be walked over.
It goes further than football.
It’s about a bloke who thinks he knows it all who wants to change our name. He calls us hooligans. He stealthily removes our name from the matchday programme, the website, the badge. He lies, he belittles us, he doesn’t understand that owning a football club is very different to owning any other business.
He fails to understand that he doesn’t pay us to go see his club play football. We pay HIM for that. But our voice doesn’t matter. We don’t matter.
Yes, this issue is different. So very different.
Allams Out!
Nope... I don't know who you're talking about. Man up and name these tyrants.
Good stuff
Just so you know where I’m coming from (and to bore Chazz)…
As I’ve said elsewhere on here, watching Hull City has been a hobby for me. A really enjoyable hobby which I’ve loved over the years. I have other interests too. Interests that have seen me join in forums to chat and debate.
When there were rumblings of the Allams wanting to change the name, I looked online at Hull City forums to see if people felt that it was wrong, like I did.
The forums I looked at were AN and CI.
When the name change proposal went ahead I joined AN and let my feelings be known. But it was on CI that someone posted something like “CI is poo, not606 is best!”
I’d seen posts about not606 all over, but that one made me take a look at this forum. I thought it was good so I joined and started posting.
So I joined here because of what was happening with the Allams and name change etc. I think proper arguments about manager sackings, starting XI’s, player treatment etc are all fair game for heated debates. If I’d joined in with that stuff, I’d have had heated debates with people, no doubt. However, I’d still have respected the person I’m arguing with. Had a pint with him/her before the match. Agreed to disagree.
But the name change situation is so different. It’s not a football argument. It’s an argument of history and identity. To be walked all over or not be walked over.
It goes further than football.
It’s about a bloke who thinks he knows it all who wants to change our name. He calls us hooligans. He stealthily removes our name from the matchday programme, the website, the badge. He lies, he belittles us, he doesn’t understand that owning a football club is very different to owning any other business.
He fails to understand that he doesn’t pay us to go see his club play football. We pay HIM for that. But our voice doesn’t matter. We don’t matter.
Yes, this issue is different. So very different.
Allams Out!
So you don't go to matches anymore because you cant abide the Allam arselickers, so you come on here and argue with the Allam arselickers instead?