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So how bad are we? Let's ignore squad depth (Charnley seems to do this, so why shouldn't we) and say for the So'ton game we're going with a 4-2-3-1 stylee, ok, and it looks like:

Krul

Janmaat, Saylor, Colo, Dummett

Tiote, Colback

Sissoko, De Jong, Cabella

Cisse

Subs: Darlow, Haidara, Lascelles, Abeid, Anita, Aarons, Perez.


Our aspirations are 10th. Is that a bad squad? How much better could/should we expect? Genuine question, you know how I feel about the club, just playing devils advocate (or the role of GCB as it's popularly known).

The problem is that is the same squad that nearly got us relegated last year. On paper it seems ok. But defensively its too weak!
 
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So how bad are we? Let's ignore squad depth (Charnley seems to do this, so why shouldn't we) and say for the So'ton game we're going with a 4-2-3-1 stylee, ok, and it looks like:

Krul

Janmaat, Saylor, Colo, Dummett

Tiote, Colback

Sissoko, De Jong, Cabella

Cisse

Subs: Darlow, Haidara, Lascelles, Abeid, Anita, Aarons, Perez.


Our aspirations are 10th. Is that a bad squad? How much better could/should we expect? Genuine question, you know how I feel about the club, just playing devils advocate (or the role of GCB as it's popularly known).

If there is one team in the Premiership that can't ignore squad depth it's Newcastle. This is because for some reason, that no one at the club has ever been able to resolve, we always have an appalling injury record. I'm not sure how many games in the past 5 years, let say, we've had our first eleven fit and available but I suspect it's been a handful at most.

On paper our first eleven always looks decent. It's just we can never play them all together. If you take your formation I'm not sure we could have fielded that team at any point last season.
 
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If Pardew was a good coach why did he have us try the same corner and free kick retain over and over for 3 years with no sign of it working? Yes you know, the diagonal to Williamson.

That in itself proves he was a pathetic coach.

Ah right so you're only a good coach if you know how to coach set pieces (which also require good players funnily enough and players who attack the ball, put a good ball in - none of which we have).
 
Our worst period in living history of scoring from set piece play was under Pardew.
Our best period of results in recent history came about when injuries forced Pardew to adopt a 4-3-3.
I honestly don't think the bloke was a decent coach at all.
A decent coach would know how to coach set pieces and surely choose to experiment with different formations rather have them forced on him.
He was a good man manager, that's why some liked him.
We shouldn't confuse the two though.

So why do all his players think he is a good coach? Surely they would be openly critical or just say nothing at all? Or perhaps they like anyone else who knows anything about football, knows you have to have the tools for the job (good players). That comes before anything else whatever anyone says. He played 433 without any injuries when he integrated Cisse too. Again you are talking about experimenting with formations, thats all well and good when you have a squad and competition. You then have different types.

Is it not injuries that force 90% of changes?

I'd accept the set pieces were poor under him in that there was no variety. Plenty of top coaches have poor set piece routines though and rarely score from them. Indeed set pieces represent a very minimal amount of goals scored. You can see why coaches focus elsewhere.

Its all just an easy get out for poor investment and poor players. The players liked him because he was a good man manager for sure. However they also said he was a top coach. I choose to believe them over some journo or fan who has never coached a day in their life or seen what was happening at Newcastle with any great detail.
 
Ah right so you're only a good coach if you know how to coach set pieces (which also require good players funnily enough and players who attack the ball, put a good ball in - none of which we have).

It's the easiest form of coaching as you can practice exact situations. There are very few variables to a set piece, it's just basic and under him we conceded plenty from them and scored very, very few. So Cabaye & Ryan Taylor can't deliver a good ball?
 
So why do all his players think he is a good coach? Surely they would be openly critical or just say nothing at all? Or perhaps they like anyone else who knows anything about football, knows you have to have the tools for the job (good players). That comes before anything else whatever anyone says. He played 433 without any injuries when he integrated Cisse too. Again you are talking about experimenting with formations, thats all well and good when you have a squad and competition. You then have different types.

Is it not injuries that force 90% of changes?

I'd accept the set pieces were poor under him in that there was no variety. Plenty of top coaches have poor set piece routines though and rarely score from them. Indeed set pieces represent a very minimal amount of goals scored. You can see why coaches focus elsewhere.

Its all just an easy get out for poor investment and poor players. The players liked him because he was a good man manager for sure. However they also said he was a top coach. I choose to believe them over some journo or fan who has never coached a day in their life or seen what was happening at Newcastle with any great detail.

28% of all goals scored in the league were from set pieces last season. So nearly a third of all goals scored are from set plays. They're more important than ever so to say they represent a minimal amount of goals scored is just nonsense.
 
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So why do all his players think he is a good coach? Surely they would be openly critical or just say nothing at all? Or perhaps they like anyone else who knows anything about football, knows you have to have the tools for the job (good players). That comes before anything else whatever anyone says. He played 433 without any injuries when he integrated Cisse too. Again you are talking about experimenting with formations, thats all well and good when you have a squad and competition. You then have different types.

Is it not injuries that force 90% of changes?

I'd accept the set pieces were poor under him in that there was no variety. Plenty of top coaches have poor set piece routines though and rarely score from them. Indeed set pieces represent a very minimal amount of goals scored. You can see why coaches focus elsewhere.

Its all just an easy get out for poor investment and poor players. The players liked him because he was a good man manager for sure. However they also said he was a top coach. I choose to believe them over some journo or fan who has never coached a day in their life or seen what was happening at Newcastle with any great detail.

Wasn't aware all his players thought he was a good coach.
Cabs and colo have said he was. There's probably a lot more who have either kept silent or have been silenced by chairman Mike.
Don't forget the club put the block on communicating with the press so how can they express their views either way?

Stick a good chef in any kitchen and he will create the best out of the ingredients.
Stick a poor chef in any kitchen and he will struggle to make an omelette.

Pardew was a good man manager with some, no doubt. But put him and carver against our new set up and our coaching infrastructure is light years ahead.

Not sure on macs man management though so the jury is out.
 
28% of all goals scored in the league were from set pieces last season. So nearly a third of all goals scored are from set plays. They're more important than ever so to say they represent a minimal amount of goals scored is just nonsense.

That's a lot.
What was our percentage?
Gut says it is really low.
 
28% of all goals scored in the league were from set pieces last season. So nearly a third of all goals scored are from set plays. They're more important than ever so to say they represent a minimal amount of goals scored is just nonsense.

Does that not include free kicks? And again that is largely dictated by individual talent and practice rather than coaching. It would need narrow down to corners specifically, free kicks from outside the box. I think we're getting in the old dressing up of stats to suit an argument again. An argument which is fatally flawed by the absence in the squad of 1. Players who attack the ball 2. Players can put a dead ball in. I think this is called squad building which is not the managers department at Newcastle.
 
It's the easiest form of coaching as you can practice exact situations. There are very few variables to a set piece, it's just basic and under him we conceded plenty from them and scored very, very few. So Cabaye & Ryan Taylor can't deliver a good ball?

Cabaye was horrifically poor on corners. Indeed on dead balls, its really only his free kicks which stood up against what other teams have in terms of specialists. He did score a few though did he not? Ryan Taylor - I assume you are just having a straw clutching laugh here. You do know the lad missed 2 years of football <laugh>
 
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Wasn't aware all his players thought he was a good coach.
Cabs and colo have said he was. There's probably a lot more who have either kept silent or have been silenced by chairman Mike.
Don't forget the club put the block on communicating with the press so how can they express their views either way?

Stick a good chef in any kitchen and he will create the best out of the ingredients.
Stick a poor chef in any kitchen and he will struggle to make an omelette.

Pardew was a good man manager with some, no doubt. But put him and carver against our new set up and our coaching infrastructure is light years ahead.

Not sure on macs man management though so the jury is out.

All is possibly an exaggeration. However I find it hard to believe that not a single player has criticised his coaching if he was a bad coach. Even the likes of Marv and HBA (two known unprofessional petty ****s) have chosen to say very little. Yet on the other side of things, we do have players who think well of his coaching (of the better variety who have graced the likes of PSG, AC Milan, Villareal, Deportivo, Lille, France, Argentina and worked with the odd decent coach). We shall see. If as expected we hamstring McClaren in the same as all the others, we shall see how he fares. Obviously if the promised investment happens then that will be a difficult comparison to make but I'd be surprised if we back up the grand designs.
 
The injuries we seem to suffer from is a very good point as well. What is happening there? Is something going wrong in recruitment? With training? Physio? Or are we imagining our injury woes are consistent year upon year?

I don't have much negative to say about Pardew, under what seem to be pretty poor conditions he seemed to get some pretty good performances from the team. I'm just conscious that if we wish for whole sale changes to the squad we are going to be disappointed, so what's the bare minimum we'd want to see in terms of improvement? If you could only have two signings what are the key factors? For me it's two players into that spine of the team who are consistently on the pitch with a big personality - I don't care if they're not world-beaters. A pair of solid consistent, rarely injured, reliable types who can allow the players we have, who personally I think are mostly lacking in confidence and are something of a bunch of prima-donnas, to play with a bit more freedom. A central defender and a central midfielder who are capable of passing the ball well and can hold their positions with confidence to allow some of the forward thinking players to play. At the end of last season I can't think of many who looked confident doing the basics of their jobs and nobody who was confident holding a line. If all we got was 2 solid signings I wouldn't be happy but I'd still think we would survive.
 
The injuries we seem to suffer from is a very good point as well. What is happening there? Is something going wrong in recruitment? With training? Physio? Or are we imagining our injury woes are consistent year upon year?

I don't have much negative to say about Pardew, under what seem to be pretty poor conditions he seemed to get some pretty good performances from the team. I'm just conscious that if we wish for whole sale changes to the squad we are going to be disappointed, so what's the bare minimum we'd want to see in terms of improvement? If you could only have two signings what are the key factors? For me it's two players into that spine of the team who are consistently on the pitch with a big personality - I don't care if they're not world-beaters. A pair of solid consistent, rarely injured, reliable types who can allow the players we have, who personally I think are mostly lacking in confidence and are something of a bunch of prima-donnas, to play with a bit more freedom. A central defender and a central midfielder who are capable of passing the ball well and can hold their positions with confidence to allow some of the forward thinking players to play. At the end of last season I can't think of many who looked confident doing the basics of their jobs and nobody who was confident holding a line. If all we got was 2 solid signings I wouldn't be happy but I'd still think we would survive.

Yeah I'd probably go with that. I'd be tempted to just go with two centre backs, then hope that Abeid can step his game up alongside Colback, and hope that SDJ or Cabella can bring the creativity from number 10. But like you I'd settle for a new leader at centre back, and a ball playing controller in the middle a la Cabaye. We lack leadership. It would be handy if we are getting more if we get someone who can put quality on a dead ball. That's why I thoughts Shaquiri might be interesting for a club like us.
 
Yeah I'd probably go with that. I'd be tempted to just go with two centre backs, then hope that Abeid can step his game up alongside Colback, and hope that SDJ or Cabella can bring the creativity from number 10. But like you I'd settle for a new leader at centre back, and a ball playing controller in the middle a la Cabaye. We lack leadership. It would be handy if we are getting more if we get someone who can put quality on a dead ball. That's why I thoughts Shaquiri might be interesting for a club like us.

Just cos she is blowing Pique, it doesn't make her a good footballer.
 
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