Off Topic Afcftw Mafia Game

[Obi Wan]

Tonight's info. You know the rules - at least for those who actually have any sense at all of bothering to pay attention to me...

1. Rolando was bandaging a wound on his hand.
2. Swarbs was seen hosing down his clothes.
3. Two unknown Newcastle fans were talking to each other in a darkened corner.

 

[Obi Wan]

[QUOTE="moreinjuredthanowen, post: 8030521, member: 101074 apologies are due.. you know you are

my main aim today was to get my weekend free [/QUOTE]
MITO you seriously just wanted out ready for the weekend? Quality if so!


sooooooo, was Valley's incorrect ID on MITO definitely the Mafia's extra power? (tampering with investigation results)

 

[Brian Storm]

Swarbs because he saved Tennisball from the coin flip to kill an innocent.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Enjoy lads, im celebrating our victory tonight

 

[Obi Wan]

Enjoy lads, im celebrating our victory tonight

cracking result Valley

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

So here is what I have found (long post sorry) - I have only gone back as far as daybreak day two or I'd be here all night!

This is where Tash's connections to the cartel came from:

Page 63

Seeing as the cartel didn't recruit again I assume that means what IBWT was saying about cartel not posting being accurate. So is that either Tash 666 or Nobby? Which 1 didn't post on the 1st day.

Page 70

Why would they need expose themselves if they know Mito is lying and Valley has just had a positive investigation on him? The drunk PI is an obvious mafia target, he doesn't need to expose himself if he knows Valley is exposing Mito for him. Mito my not be Mafia, he could be Cartel, but he's not Town imo.

Then Obi's post (also page 70)

Evening all. Sorry not had chance to go through everything yet.

Right, latest info from AFC, again I have devided to share (remember, he states that AT LEAST ONE of these is TRUE but NOT necessarily ALL):

1. Funky was heard talking to himself in different voices.
2. 666 Tash 666 was tending to his garden ready to enter his prize veg for the town fayre.
3. Lucaaas was driving his Ferrari Enzo down the street where Gerrez lives.

I've no idea how, or if, this will help. I need to catch up on tonight's events and review pre and post lynch postings for clues.

Still Page 70

My gut feel is that Bri is town, Tash may not be town and lucaaas is Mafia. Just a gut feel but I'm leaning towards Tash. Can the investigator please look at Tash or lucaaas please?

Page 72

But if MITO is mafia then why would he finger tennis.
If MITO is mafia surely tennis isn't.
But I don't think MITO is mafia......unless a drunk comes forward.
If he does, MITO gets taken out and we are down to 1 mafia, surely worth the risk to out yourself with 1 mafia left.

As the Cartel havent recruited I am inclined to believe Tash might be the cartel member

Page 73 - Obi posted again:

Sorry guys, not had a chance to review today's posts as had so much going on. But here's a quick recap of the intel AFC has provided me as the 'rambler' wandering around the town.

Although not all points are necssarily correct, AT LEAST TWO ARE TRUE. At least one from each set of 3 to be more precise.

1. Valley was seen chewing on salami in Luigi's restaurant, seemingly giving orders to someone.
2. Nobby was putting out his rubbish and there was a lot of noise from all those empty whiskey bottles.
3. Mikey was seen handing money over to a rather shady looking figure who was wearing a Newcastle United shirt.

1. Funky was heard talking to himself in different voices.
2. 666 Tash 666 was tending to his garden ready to enter his prize veg for the town fayre.
3. Lucaaas was driving his Ferrari Enzo down the street where Gerrez lives.

Although you might not be able to trust everything above , some of you at least should start to see some patterns based on what you personally know about you, your investigations, or your known team mates. Or at least know which ones to eliminate as fiction, to help narrow down the facts.

and Bodanki then (correctly) changed his mind

So the first paragraph, we know no.1 to be bullshit.
No. 2 Nobby is the drunk? If you are say so pal, you have shared no info and provided nothing, your best contribution at this stage would be to out MITO and let youself die
No. 3 hmmmm, handing money? Could Mikey be the meth head, buying meth from a Newcastle supporting poster, would by that rationale would be the cartel, providing Mikey with drugs? Mikey has been inactive too, would explain why the meth head didn't hit anyone (dont buy that the meth head poisoned Greez, thats inconceivable for a meth head).

Second paragraph.
No.1 would imply Funky is the schizo, no evidence to argue with or against that one way or another
No.2 Would indicate Tash is a townie, maybe on gardening leave? ie inactive
3. Indicates Lucaas is mafia, and may have poisoned Greez? (Ferrari = Italian)

Page 74

This appears to be the first post that translates Obi's post as meaning that Tash is Cartel

The way i interpret it is

we know no.1 Valley is Mafia - we are pretty certain that is incorrect.
No. 2 Nobby is the drunk
No. 3 hmmmm, handing money? Mikey is the meth head

Second paragraph.
No.1 would imply Funky is the schizo
No.2 Would indicate Tash is the cartel? Growing stuff in his garden?
3. Indicates Lucaas is mafia

Whether i believe any of them is another thing.

Note: Bobby was also the first person to vote for Tash and encouraged others to do so.

I thin posted what i thought of Obi

The way i interpret it is

No. 1 Obi is a **** stirrer
No. 2 Obi is a **** stirrer
No. 3 Obi is a **** stirrer

Second paragraph.
No.1 Obi is a **** stirrer
No.2 Obi is a **** stirrer
No.3.Obi is a **** stirrer

Page 77

Okay.

Having seen the effect Sir Tennis is going then i think i'd like to rethink of the plans.

I don't like how the Cartel hasn't recruited and the lack of input of some members of this game. Plus Tash i think from obis statement is a cartel member unless i'm reading it wrong (they haven't recruited and he doesnt appear on)

2. 666 Tash 666 was tending to his garden ready to enter his prize veg for the town fayre.

MITO makes a compelling case even though all the evidence points against him. As long as he's feeding in "good-ish" townie information i'm happy to keep him alive for the time being as getting rid of him doesn't mean the Mafia team has lost and died (as long as we keep him in our radars).

I'm not sure we should be lynching SirTennis yet and maybe Valley can investigate SirTennis (providing we believe Valley is our psychic) and he can tell us what he thinks SirTennis is.

On that note, i vote 666 Tash 666

Which is why i'm voting for Tash, keeping Tennis alive and asking Valley to investigate him on our behalves (We all believe Valley is the psychic, he outed tobes and it'd be risky for Mafia to out someone + there doesn't appear to be another psychic, the only thing i'm uncomfortable with is that Valley came out so early)

At the same time, there are members of the "town" who are keeping quiet and are near enough useless who aren't giving any information out at all. Along with OBI's quotes which supposedly 1 in 3 are true, i'm tempted to make a calculated guess that this Cartel leader is a large inactive (like Tash) and based upon my quote. I'd rather get more information from Valley and act on a calculated guess against a low risk target than make a large decision on MITO and SirTennis yet

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Page 78

my next analysis


Question: What is obi wan talking about


Post 1455: http://www.not606.com/threads/afcftw-mafia-game.303261/page-73#post-8027707


“Sorry guys, not had a chance to review today's posts as had so much going on. But here's a quick recap of the intel AFC has provided me as the 'rambler' wandering around the town.


Although not all points are necessarily correct, AT LEAST TWO ARE TRUE. At least one from each set of 3 to be more precise.


1. Valley was seen chewing on salami in Luigi's restaurant, seemingly giving orders to someone.

2. Nobby was putting out his rubbish and there was a lot of noise from all those empty whiskey bottles.

3. Mikey was seen handing money over to a rather shady looking figure who was wearing a Newcastle United shirt.


1. Funky was heard talking to himself in different voices.

2. 666 Tash 666 was tending to his garden ready to enter his prize veg for the town fayre.

3. Lucaaas was driving his Ferrari Enzo down the street where Gerrez lives.


Although you might not be able to trust everything above , some of you at least should start to see some patterns based on what you personally know about you, your investigations, or your known team mates. Or at least know which ones to eliminate as fiction, to help narrow down the facts. ”


What facts are to hand:

Day1

1. Valley… I will return to that

2. Nobby seen with empty whisky bottles post 1478 http://www.not606.com/threads/afcftw-mafia-game.303261/page-74#post-8027791 . he DENIES IT.

3. Mikey seen handing over money. It would suggest a role


Day 2

1. Funky heard talking to himself. Clearly suggest another role.

2. Tash seen gardening. Bobby asked is this cartel growing stuff.. I don’t know

3. Lucaas seen driving ferrair. Suggest mafia


Tests: valley says he is investigating tash…. That is a call.

what do you think guys?

It is so juicy i thought.. hey hand on here this is too good to just be dropped in a non aligned towns lap.

I have gone for Tash. Heres why:

Obi mentioned Tash was growing stuff and taking it to the fayre to sell - Cartel growing drugs?
Cartel has not recruited in the last 2 nights
Tash hasn't been on much at all. Best case he's pablo. Worse case he's an inactive Townie who doesn't help us anyway

Then in response to me saying that i thought Obi was just **** stirring and didn't have real info...

The only thing i would say about this, is that is how we have intepreted the clues. Agreed though that Obi is a stirrer. However, i'm willing to digest and analyse some of it to get to my conclusion of Tash

Page 79

Aaaaaah, stop being all obtuse and just tell us!

The second paragraph implies Funky is schizo, Tash is cartel / town on gardening leave and Lucaaas is Mafia. I can't deduce anything from that as we have no hard evidence on schizo or cartel, other than Tash being inactive and cartel being inactive.



Say it anyway! FFS what is it with people working stuff out and not sharing it with the town?!?

So no one wants to vote tash with me?

Page 80

I'm pretty certain Funky is town in some form or other.
Tash is the puzzler for me. Although he does have gaps in his posting habits lads, to be fair to him.

Page 82

Would the evening reports actually specify if a cartel member was recruited btw?? I assume so as everyone seems to think it's likely Tash ..as cartel is inactive and non_recruiting atm (New to this)

Thats why i want Valley to investigate Sir Tennis. If Tennis is guilty, MITO is DEFINITELY the PI. If Tennis is not guilty, there is a 33% chance MITO lied, plus with Valleys statement saying Mito is not a townie drops it to like 10% plus MITO killed IBWT which i will say MITO is a mafia ****.

Hence why i want to concentrate on other people like Tash rather than getting into this wild debate about what MITO and SirTennis are.

Page 83

Vote for Tash

Are we still planning to investigate Tash? If Obi's mad rantings do have a grain of truth in them then didn't he suggest that Tash could be the cartel? We don't know if he is inactive or silent. There is always the possibility he is unlucky and recruited IBWT and Gerrez. Also the possibilty that Gerrez was some sort of failed recruit.

If one of Obi's three statements is true then it would mean either

1. Funky is the nutter - I fed him something that was so obvious that there is no way he would have missed if he was the nutter. He didn't respond in the way the nutter would have and took it personally. So this one can't be true.

2. Tash is the cartel. At the minute we don't know, but his silence would fit with no recruitment.

3. Lucaaas is mafia. Why would Tobes (confirmed mafia) put him up for the coin toss. Very unlikely.


This means that IF Obi is telling the truth about being passed info (very big if) then it is most likely that Tash is cartel unless either Tobes or Funky are playing the game very badly. I really don't buy that Funky would be playing as badly as he looks to be so that may well lead to serious suspicions on him too.

- Some people think MITO is guilty and want him lynched
- Some people think we should test MITO guilt by lynching SirTennis as they think MITO has an important role if he is innocent
- They are both in a neck and neck vote count

- I want to give both of them another day as they both make constructive posts. I would like you to investigate SirTennis to prove his innocence
- I want to lynch Tash for being inactive and imo a chance of being mr pablo the cartel manager. Hasn't got much traction so far

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Page 84

I'd prefer to see the meth head take out the Cartel (inactive or not), At the minute we're guessing the Cartel is Tash I think. If the cartel suddenly wakes up we could start losing three a night between with the mafia/serial killer and cartel. It also protects Valley as I suspect he would be the first target of either the mafia, cartel or serial killer.

Evening all. On train home catching up on the hundreds of posts.

One thing I will say is that whether or not you believe the info I get from AFC, some of you have jumped to conclusions about what they mean. OR are maybe even purposely trying to influence others to see them that way.

FOR INSTANCE. Mikey handing money over = meth head
Why not somebody paying for other 'services'?
Or TASH merrily tending to his garden ready for the town fayre = Carrel.
Why not just an innocent townie?

Read my actual posts again as they are copied directly from AFC.
Maybe some on here are trying to influence others to believe distorted 'facts' and dismiss the truth, by claiming these insights MUST mean X or Y.
Who has been doing that? Why?

Page 86

I vote Tash. Rather kill a suspected pablo than mito. Reasoning above.

In that case, I have room to go with my gut feelings.

I have a horrible feeling that the number 4 scenario from earlier could be right. Both yourself and MITO are still posting constructive posts and not getting into a frenzy like tobes did.

I change my vote to Tash

Page 87

asking me why I voted for Tash...

Convince me why.

I don't think I can. I'm going with a gut feeling. One of those times when i just feel like we are heading down the wrong path. One of either MITO or Tennis should be suspects due to the investigations, but to me the investigations don't match the way people are acting/posting. The cartel hasn't recruited. is that cos the cartel is inactive or cos they have recruited the killed person both nights. Idk, but if its inactive then it would be Tash. if Tash is a townie then he isn't voting so not a massive loss. I know it doesn't make sense and will look suspicious as hell if either Tennis or MITO are mafia, but idk - gut feeling!

Have had the same feeling since Sir T voted for him.

TASH

I don't know.

If i follow i put someone else at risk over me.

If i don't and he is cartel.....

If i do and there is a coin flip with tennis and he is innocent. i die.

If tennis is guilty surely nobody would say mito you tried to save him? I've spent ages showing the odds.

Im the drunk. i had a read on tennis.... i think on balance he is more likely to be mafia.......

TASH

there.......

Page 88

Ok, so we're now on Tash and Sir Tennisball?

Has Tash done anything to make himself suspect, other than just being silent?

Ok, but then surely if he's been active on other threads and was cartel he would have recruited someone in the past couple of days? Has he still not made a single post yet?

****ed if I know!

Do we have a plan to sort this out? Is Valley going to investigate MITO again, and will MITO investigate someone or are we just going to be up the same creek tomorrow?

I have no problem with Tash going up the gibbet, but it seems likely that one of Valley, MITO and Tennisball is Mafia, so how do we plan to sort all that **** out? We can't just be back in the same situation tomorrow night, particularly if serial killer starts killing and Mafia have some hidden powers they could still use. Don't the Mafia still have at least one kill left?

Ok, **** it I'm for Tash

And yes, I know I couldn't have made that look any later or dodgier

I think that is everything

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

If I have missed any don't read anything into it. I had to cut and paste the post cos it was too long.

I'm not sure what Obi is getting at but that saves people going back and searching!

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

The thing is, after all of that effort I still wonder if Obi is sat there pissing himself laughing at me for going to all of that effort over **** stirring

 

[Obi Wan]

What I'm getting at is that certain people <cough> Nev <cough> instantly discredit the info I'm getting, while others make open assumptions about the meaning of the clues, that then appear to be quickly deemed truth.

The question is, do they have a motive to influence others in the meaning of the clues, or are they just making (possibly incorrect) assumptions?

As I pointed out BEFORE Tash was killed off for being suspected Cartel, the clue from AFC (if correct) could also be interpreted as Tash being a Townie. I never said he was Cartel.

 

[Obi Wan]

The thing is, after all of that effort I still wonder if Obi is sat there pissing himself laughing at me for going to all of that effort over **** stirring

you'd be tied up in knots regardless of my posts.
No doubt you are up til 3am each night, mulling over the scenarios, as usual.
I'm just giving you extra good for thought.
And you're still not liking my posts you Mafia scum!

 

[Brian Storm]

So here is what I have found (long post sorry) - I have only gone back as far as daybreak day two or I'd be here all night!

This is where Tash's connections to the cartel came from:

But I didn't mention Tash in my post you've just quoted.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

What I'm getting at is that certain people <cough> Nev <cough> instantly discredit the info I'm getting, while others make open assumptions about the meaning of the clues, that then appear to be quickly deemed truth.

The question is, do they have a motive to influence others in the meaning of the clues, or are they just making (possibly incorrect) assumptions?

As I pointed out BEFORE Tash was killed off for being suspected Cartel, the clue from AFC (if correct) could also be interpreted as Tash being a Townie. I never said he was Cartel.

I was convinced that you were spouting **** - I don't mind admitting that - particularly based on your usual modus operendi

However, I am now not so sure. I can see a possibility that one statement in each post could be true. I'm not convinced but neither am I totally dismissing them now. Tonight's statements leave a dilemma though. I think I know which statement is true if you are genuine. However, I also think it would be a mistake to openly state which as the statement could mean we know which of our team is powerful or it could mean we have identified one of our enemies.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

But I didn't mention Tash in my post you've just quoted.

which one?? There were what seemed like hundreds of posts there

I tried to pick out all of the posts that related to the cartel/tash. If I have quoted one that wasn't about the cartel or tash then it was a genuine mistake.

 

[Brian Storm]

which one?? There were what seemed like hundreds of posts there

I tried to pick out all of the posts that related to the cartel/tash. If I have quoted one that wasn't about the cartel or tash then it was a genuine mistake.

Couple down in the first post, Looks like you've hit reply on the wrong quote.

How do you multiquote without having to scroll back up the page for every post?

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

you'd be tied up in knots regardless of my posts.
No doubt you are up til 3am each night, mulling over the scenarios, as usual.
I'm just giving you extra good for thought.
And you're still not liking my posts you Mafia scum!

That is deliberate. I think that liking your posts will trigger something. As you are not directly aligned to the town then activating it might not help us! As it stands you say you are helping the town and I see nothing to discredit that. However, as you are separate from the town there is the possibility that triggering something might be a way of you sneaking in and winning the game on your own. As much as any help is welcomed, it isn't appreciated enough to hand you the victory at the expense of the town.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Couple down in the first post, Looks like you've hit reply on the wrong quote.

Looks like I just saw the word 'Cartel' and hit reply

How do you multiquote without having to scroll back up the page for every post?

You don't

 

[Brian Storm]

Looks like I just saw the word 'Cartel' and hit reply



You don't

That must have been a ****ing nightmare

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

That must have been a ****ing nightmare

It was