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I have fallen totally out of love for football and Spurs destroyed me last season. The way the club is now is shameful and we are miles away from where we were a few years ago.
Thanks for posting this clip. It reminded me of the days when we had a manager who has a personality, a character who picked us up from the depths of the PL and then took us to the CL quarter finals.
An amusing clip, yet also a reminder of happy days.
Thanks for posting this clip. It reminded me of the days when we had a manager who has a personality, a character who picked us up from the depths of the PL and then took us to the CL quarter finals.
An amusing clip, yet also a reminder of happy days.
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Remember this? The dog days were over. They certainly didn't take too long to come back did they. We shall have to hope that we have another one of those moments at the end of the coming season, and that it is of a more permeant nature. Astonishing to think that of the players in that video, only Kaboul and Rose are still with us as well.
In other words, let's abuse them as they're used to it at home? I thought the idea was that we, in the so called civilised world, were supposed to set higher standards than that?
My personal opinion is that we are all citizens of the world and we should all be allowed to live and work wherever we like free of border controls.
However there is little chance of western electorates agreeing with me. So I have to put up with a trickle down approach. Whether I like it or not the Qatari approach does more for poverty stricken Indians than anything the EU does.
However there is little chance of western electorates agreeing with me. So I have to put up with a trickle down approach. Whether I like it or not the Qatari approach does more for poverty stricken Indians than anything the EU does.
There is a logic to your argument if it were true! Britain on her own has done more employing of people from the Indian sub continent than Qatar. On top of that people coming from India to Qatar are doing so in the hope of improving their lot they are not all by definition starving. Once they get there they are then exploited and 'stuck' with a decision no doubt made in ignorance of the real conditions they faced. There is no doubt that the EU and other rich nations should be doing a whole lot more for less fortunate countries, but supporting corrupt and 'medieval' regimes should not be included.
We do not help the world by trading and supporting places like Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Israel. International Law and Treaties is the way to go not the wringing of hands and faux regrets.
Just in case though, we'd better get our agreements with the London Authority in place pronto.God help London!! Is there no end to this man's delusions??
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-33047030
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I'm not advocating 'supporting' Qatar and we should do anything we can to make them treat their immigrant population better. But there is little doubt that if we take the World Cup away from Qatar and give it to a 'civilised' nation then the actual outcome will be that hundreds of thousands of Indian and Nepalese workers will lose their jobs and get shipped back home to conditions that are even worse. I don't see how that is in any way a good outcome.
BT Sport has announced their European football coverage for next season and I've seen no mention of Michael Owen so far.
Let's hope that this continues to be the case.
Let's hope that this continues to be the case.
If it causes the collapse of business that exploits people then that is a good thing. You have no evidence to suggest that conditions in their home lands are worse (earthquakes excepted) They are in Qatar for extra money they are not penniless paupers as you seem to think just people trying to better themselves and being put at risk of their lives and at best exploited financially. Supporting such nations NEVER works, they don't improve until you make them suffer in some way. Supporters of Apartheid in South Africa took notice when world sport isolated them; as long as we played cricket and rugby with them they were quite happy to continue to treat Black people worse than cattle.
The data seems to show that the death rate of the Indian population in Qatar is only 1/4 of a similarly selected population in India. Its all very well to say that the conditions in Qatar are not up to our standards but that gives a very good reason for Indians to want to work there. Taking the World Cup away will definitely cause Indians to die if that is true. I find this a very difficult moral and ethical issue because the end rarely justifies the means but we can only take the moral high ground if we agree to employ the displaced Indian and Nepalese workers if our actions mean they lose their jobs in Qatar.
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There is no independent data.
The Qataris arrest journalists trying to look into it.
The Indian government don't seem to agree. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26260765
It is really hard to cover up the death of a foreign national in any country as the local Ambassador will be involved for such purposes as repatriating the body etc.
The data that is not being independently corroborated is the number of deaths related to construction. How any journalist could check that even in the UK I've no idea.
India has a space programme no European country could afford and at the top level of society people of unimaginable wealth whilst having a multitude of people's in dire poverty on the streets homeless
The above status quo is accepted by the Indian government whilst as a result desperate people become disposable tools for various Arab countries
Similar circumstances exist and are exploited in various other eastern countries and wealthy countries should look to work with (and pressure) these countries to focus on developing infrastructures that allow acceptable civilised standards for all of the population
Do away with foreign aid and apply those monies to specific projects managed by the donors
Make the European community a market place only with the money spent on unwanted move to a federal state used to assist the removal of extreme poverty in the country's were manpower slavery is attractive to those poverty stricken people
In reality "no chance"
The above status quo is accepted by the Indian government whilst as a result desperate people become disposable tools for various Arab countries
Similar circumstances exist and are exploited in various other eastern countries and wealthy countries should look to work with (and pressure) these countries to focus on developing infrastructures that allow acceptable civilised standards for all of the population
Do away with foreign aid and apply those monies to specific projects managed by the donors
Make the European community a market place only with the money spent on unwanted move to a federal state used to assist the removal of extreme poverty in the country's were manpower slavery is attractive to those poverty stricken people
In reality "no chance"
Whereas various human rights and workers rights groups completely disagree.
Your own link shows that Amnesty and UTIC are appalled by the unverifiable figures, for example.
As for repatriating bodies revealing any deaths, you're assuming that this is actually happening.
Given that people's passports are being withheld, as well as their wages, we've no way of knowing who's disappeared over there.
The figures come from the Indian embassy in Qatar not the Qatar government.
who could possibly 'verify" them?
who could possibly 'verify" them?