There's a pretty simple way of working out strongest leagues in Europe... Look at the European coefficient of each of them
Yep. No other way. Especially not whoever wins europes second rate cup.
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Yep. No other way. Especially not whoever wins europes second rate cup.
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Well thats a massive contradiction because who ever wins europes '2nd rate cup' adds big score to their countries European coefficient score...
Going by your bobbins argument sisu and going back twenty years in the europey no second tier team in the uk has won it in as many yeas either (unless you count pool as a second rate team 
) so going by your germanys league is weak argument so is the premier league? Or is it one rule for us because we dont 'try' as hard and one rule for germany?
) so going by your germanys league is weak argument so is the premier league? Or is it one rule for us because we dont 'try' as hard and one rule for germany?Hardly. Doing well in the Champions League adds just as much.
Only one side can win it. The success of one club is a really bad way of judging a league. Possibly the worst way.
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But an average is taken. If one team wins it but 3 other teams go out at group stages, they will get a lower score than 4 teams from another country who 2 make the semis and 2 make the quarters for example.
Its an average that's taken
Going by your bobbins argument sisu and going back twenty years in the europey no second tier team in the uk has won it in as many yeas either (unless you count pool as a second rate team
I don't think the premier league is very strong to be honest. Have you watched our teams in Europe over the last few years? [HASHTAG]#terrible[/HASHTAG]
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Theres dofferent rent levels of strength though. It's not as simple as we do pants so our league is pants.
Our league is far more competitive throughout than Spain. You often see 'upsets' where teams at bottom beat teams at top, Spain that doesn't happen.
Also only 1 of our teams in chelsea have a manager who can play the European way. Sit back and win a game 1-0 without the ball. The rest are too naive and European teams in a 2 legged game in Europe can match and better it. However if you put them in the Premiership and they had to play against 19 other teams who are physically stronger and battle then they would struggle a lot more.
Spain's top teams may be stronger (helps when you earn x amount more then all other teams put together in tv money as you sell or own tv rights) but I'd rather watch a league that is competitive throughout than one where you get 6 or 7 tricky games a year.
Its t's no surprise the only players who get over a goal a game are based in Spain, they play for the 2 best teams who often have walk overs most weeks.
Put ur ronaldo back in the prem and he becomes a 25 goal a season striker again not a 40 goal man
Going by your bobbins argument sisu and going back twenty years in the europey no second tier team in the uk has won it in as many yeas either (unless you count pool as a second rate team
You just blow in and start kacking out of you
The debate wasn't about the European leagues till UIR derailed a discussion about Klopp
It was only a sidepoint.The rating I consider appropriate to class a team as also ran or a top tier side is the finances to compete and actually competing.
Germany, who Schalke Bayern Dortmund Wolfsburg? (two teams are now higher due to Schalke and Dortmund flopping) but even so, none of them have won the EL in nearly 2 decades.
Portualy, Benfica Bayern and Lisbon
England, Arsenal Spurs Chelea Liverpool City United.
Spain Real barca Atletico atm
Italy Juve Roma Napoli atm
Everyone else can be considered also ran cos they have 0 chance of winning the league on an average basis or in any compete with player quality.
So, teams of the leagues outside of that list, Spanish sides have dominated.
Now show me where ANY of the also rans have competed at a level of Spanish teams.
I never compared German also rans to Portugues also rans, or dutch or Italian cos they all are comparable failures in terms of competing for the second tier trophy the EL.
Spanish sides consistently knock out also rans of the other leagues. That's just a fact.
I'm not comparing leagues at all, just the quality of the teams outside of the teams that have by far the best quality players and money
[HASHTAG]#fail[/HASHTAG].
Barca have lost 4 and Real lost 6. Chelsea the only team that can be compared to those in consistency, have lost 2
La Liga points between 5th and 1st, 18
PL points between 5th and first 18
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Barca have lost 4 and Real lost 6. Chelsea the only team that can be compared to those in consistency, have lost 2
La Liga points between 5th and 1st, 18
PL points between 5th and first 18
Barca, GD of 72
Madrid GD of 67
Chelsea GD of 39
City 34
Arsenal 31
Teams down the bottom of La Liga are walkovers for the big 2 in Spain.
The bottom 5 teams in Spain have 3 wins out of last 50 games played, 14 draws and 33 defeats.
Leicester have more than all of that combined from their last 4 games...
Bottom 5 Prem
11 wins, 13 draws and 26 defeats.
Also, PL top 5 have lost 30 games La liga 27 games
Biscan it's a fallacy, the only rea
You are comparing goal difference to make a false argument because Spain have the best goalscorers in the world, including our Suarez who helped put us over 100 last season
3 players have what? 100 goals and 50 assists between them?
Also, PL top 5 have lost 30 games La liga top 5 lost 27 games
AND WE AND CITY GROSSLY UNDERPERFORMED TOO..
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Biscan it's a fallacy, the only rea
You are comparing goal difference to make a false argument because Spain have the best goalscorers in the world, including our Suarez who helped put us over 100 last season
3 players have what? 100 goals and 50 assists between them?
Also, PL top 5 have lost 30 games La liga top 5 lost 27 games
AND WE AND CITY GROSSLY UNDERPERFORMED TOO..
[HASHTAG]#doestaddup[/HASHTAG]
I think people are holding onto the depth the premier league had a few years ago. Let's be honest, there's no way Southampton would be able to challenge for the top 4 if the teams were still at the level they were a few years.
Have you managed to convince yourself that Real Madrid & Barca wouldn't put goals past the likes of Burnley, Aston Villa & Hull?
The reason they don't have big GD's like the Spanish teams is because Chelsea don't have Suarez, Messi & Neymar as an attacking 3 & City don't have Bale, Ronaldo & Benzema.
Have you managed to convince yourself that Real Madrid & Barca wouldn't put goals past the likes of Burnley, Aston Villa & Hull?
The reason they don't have big GD's like the Spanish teams is because Chelsea don't have Suarez, Messi & Neymar as an attacking 3 & City don't have Bale, Ronaldo & Benzema.
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-26 is the worst GD in our league...
That would only be 5th worse in Spain who have -29, -30, -31, -36.
Like I say, Spanish teams at the bottom are a gimmi for teams at the top who win comfortably. The league as a whole isn't as competitive as the Prem.
That would only be 5th worse in Spain who have -29, -30, -31, -36.
Like I say, Spanish teams at the bottom are a gimmi for teams at the top who win comfortably. The league as a whole isn't as competitive as the Prem.
This PL is more competitive nonsense is just that cos the stats back it up.
There is more, far more money in the PL, that's the difference
Sure a relegated team from last year got 60m parachute payment, TWICE what Bayern earned for winning the Bundes
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There is more, far more money in the PL, that's the difference
Sure a relegated team from last year got 60m parachute payment, TWICE what Bayern earned for winning the Bundes
[HASHTAG]#moneymoneymoney[/HASHTAG]
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Also, PL top 5 have lost 30 games La liga 27 games
Biscan it's a fallacy, the only rea
You are comparing goal difference to make a false argument because Spain have the best goalscorers in the world, including our Suarez who helped put us over 100 last season
3 players have what? 100 goals and 50 assists between them?
Also, PL top 5 have lost 30 games La liga top 5 lost 27 games
AND WE AND CITY GROSSLY UNDERPERFORMED TOO..
[HASHTAG]#doestaddup[/HASHTAG]
Best goal scorers in the World playing against teams down the bottom who regularly don't get any touches of the ball and often lose by 4/5/6 goals each time they play.
I'm not saying Spanish teams aren't good, Barca & Real are streets ahead of any of our teams, but as you go down the league it gets far less competitive. Like I say, you rarely see upsets where a team in relegation gets a win against the big teams. The fact the teams down the bottom have 3 wins out of their last 50 sums up how poor the bottom half of the league really is when compared to ours.
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Of course they would, but I reckon in a normal season they would put up far more of an effort than teams down the bottom of La Liga do. Teams down the bottom of the Prem know how to defend and get men behind the ball. Teams in Spain even at the bottom often play such an open game that they are pretty much bending over and asking for it when they play the big teams in Spain.
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This PL is more competitive nonsense is just that cos the stats back it up.
There is more, far more money in the PL, that's the difference
Sure a relegated team from last year got 60m parachute payment, TWICE what Bayern earned for winning the Bundes
[HASHTAG]#moneymoneymoney[/HASHTAG]
So you agree the Prem is more competitive then
Like I said earlier, of course money is part of the reason. The teams down the bottom get more money partly because our TV deal is equal for all teams. They all get X amount of the Premier Leagues tv deal and then extras for being on TV.
Barca & Madrid sell their own rights abroad to Sky.
"La Liga giants Real Madrid and Barcelona take majority of TV pot in Spain
Spain's big two sides take £204million of the total £550m pot each season"
They get nearly as much as a 2 than the other 18 teams combined.
If the money there was split out evenly then of course La Liga would be far more competitive and would rival and probably over take the Prem.
Real Madrid put 3 goals past us at Anfield without breaking a sweat. They are just that superior to everyone else in an attacking sense. I reckon these tiny La Liga teams would do better than the likes of QPR & Hull in the prem.
I see your point but you pit Real against Leicester and see what happens or barca. The same teams would score for fun in this league.
It's not really a measure of competiive ness, and given the points spread, titles spread as well as success for also ran spanish teams, the PL being more competitive is a myth, in fact without said massive investments, it would e even less so, thanks to FSG RA the Sheik the PL has been more competitive in who can challenge at all let alone with it but the rest
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