Daily Racing Thread Thursday 9th. April 2015

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King Shergar said:
I have done my gonads today aswell Beefy<laugh>

Was good to see him get up though. One thing he proved today is that his 2nd place finish in the CH, was no fluke as some would like to have us believe. He travelled so powerfully before he fell. I am fairly certain he'd of run out a convincing 5+ lengths winner!

We are looking for a challenger to Faugheen for next seasons CH, so maybe he could be the one the way he's been improving.

I know he was beat fair and square in this years renewal, but he wasn't far behind, and I think a stronger gallop will suit him better:biggrin:
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Sorry Shergs got found out once again. Jumpings the name of the game.
 
beeforsalmon said:
Was travelling like he'd just dropped in wasn't he, all class but he always travels well on good ground. Completely irrelevant comparing his early season form on winter ground with his form now, one could say

Will be interesting if him and Faugheen should clash at Punchestown but that heavy fall may put paid to that. I know people say that he'd have relished a faster pace but I think it's fair to assume Faugheen would be seen to better effect with a toe round rather than have to cut out his own donkey work upfront! After all he's won two races over 3 miles so for him to demonstrate that ability to quicken off a dawdle is incredible. Versatility is one facet a true Champion should have in his make up and his unquestionable ability to win over different trips and ground conditions proves that. Perhaps Arctic Fire lacks that versatility to win races not run to suit is the main difference between them. They've always rated Arctic Fire very highly though, Mullins felt when he arrived that this fella was better than even Vautour and Faugheen! He'll certainly mop up wherever he goes on the assumption him and Faugheen are kept apart. Perhaps Faugheen will dominate the English races and Arctic Fire the Irish ones, but I guess ground conditions could be key seeing as AF seems more ground dependent.

I've a feeling we won't be seeing Jezki or The New One competing in the top 2 mile races next season!
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I pretty much agree, Faugheen is without doubt a well above average winner of the Champion Hurdle, and at the moment has shown better form than Arctic Fire. I just feel Arctic Fire has a lot more to come and can like you say win a good few G1s next season. Wether he can topple Faugheen, he'd have to improved abit. But at the moment he is certainly the strongest of the competition. Peace and Co will be to young, whilst Jezki is just not classy enough, and is the worst CH winner since Katchit in my opinion :biggrin:
 
floridaspearl said:
Sorry Shergs got found out once again. Jumpings the name of the game.
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He found himself out by making an error. He certainly wasn't found out by the competition. He lost today, but he will be worth keeping faith with in future on decent ground.

It's like saying Annie Power was found out. I bet you wouldn't back Glens Melody if the pair met again <laugh>
 
Punjabi beating Celestial Halo, Crack Away Jack and Muirhead <laugh>

Give us peace Shergar!

last years CH was a proper race, nearly 6 seconds faster than this years, Arctic Fire and even Faugheen have yet to encounter the test of an event at that level, although I dont doubt Faugheens ability to handle it, there is literally no evidence to suggest Arctic Fire could, would have found out more today if he stayed on his feet.
 
King Shergar said:
He found himself out by making an error. He certainly wasn't found out by the competition. He lost today, but he will be worth keeping faith with in future on decent ground.

It's like saying Annie Power was found out. I bet you wouldn't back Glens Melody if the pair met again <laugh>
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Annie Power was miles clear when she fell Shergar, its nothing like the same, Jezki was actually closing on Arctic Fire when they jumped the last and there was nothing between them.

Your just talking nonsense now every post.
 
Sorry but Arctic Fire jumped awfully and still would have beaten Jeski fairly comfortably today if he had stayed up. Probably left 6/7 lengths left on the hurdles.
You could tell in the lead up to the festival WM knew AF was way way better than people thought and would run a belter. He jumped much better in the champion and with a more positive ride would have gone v v close to Faugheen. Had he not fallen today he would have won no doubt about it.
To say he's beaten nothing is ridiculous. In the race it really mattered he beat all the competition (faugheen was always nailed on and anyone who thought otherwise was silly) despite a poorish ride.
World hurdle next year?
 
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MullinsbosseditIjstlostit said:
Punjabi beating Celestial Halo, Crack Away Jack and Muirhead <laugh>

Give us peace Shergar!

last years CH was a proper race, nearly 6 seconds faster than this years, Arctic Fire and even Faugheen have yet to encounter the test of an event at that level, although I dont doubt Faugheens ability to handle it, there is literally no evidence to suggest Arctic Fire could, would have found out more today if he stayed on his feet.
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Punjabi was a better hurdler than Jezki. Only a last fence fall in the Xmas Hurdle cost him winning all three 2 mile G1 hurdles in England in a season for a million pound bonus. :biggrin:
 
the don said:
Sorry but Arctic Fire jumped awfully and still would have beaten Jeski fairly comfortably today if he had stayed up. Probably left 6/7 lengths left on the hurdles.
You could tell in the lead up to the festival WM knew AF was way way better than people thought and would run a belter. He jumped much better in the champion and with a more positive ride would have gone v v close to Faugheen. Had he not fallen today he would have won no doubt about it.
To say he's beaten nothing is ridiculous. In the race it really mattered he beat all the competition (faugheen was always nailed on and anyone who thought otherwise was silly) despite a poorish ride.
World hurdle next year?
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Finally someone with some sense on this whole debate. That was until you mentioned the World Hurdle, he is far to good a horse to be running over 3 miles<ok>
 
MullinsbosseditIjstlostit said:
Annie Power was miles clear when she fell Shergar, its nothing like the same, Jezki was actually closing on Arctic Fire when they jumped the last and there was nothing between them.

Your just talking nonsense now every post.
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So you agree that Arctic Fire was found out today, because he fell at the last travelling the strongest. You say a horse is found out when they are beaten on merit. He made a mistake today which cost him, it certainly wasn't a case of him being found out. As he has more talent than any in today's race. The same as Annie has more talent than any in the mares hurdle :biggrin:
 
King Shergar said:
Finally someone with some sense on this whole debate. That was until you mentioned the World Hurdle, he is far to good a horse to be running over 3 miles<ok>
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I dont have The Dons vision of the universes potential outcomes but I think he was talking about TNO, and I cant be sure but I think he might have backed Arctic Fire today <laugh>
 
McCoy felt he had Arctic Fire covered when he came to grief.

"The two of us were racing between the second-last and the last and this lad has an inclination to go left, so I wanted to make sure I got the inside on him," said the jockey.

"I thought it was going to be a tight race. Whether I'd have won or not I don't know, but 50 yards from the hurdle I thought I had him beat."

I tend to agree with the Greatest NH Jockey of all time, I reckon he knows a thing or two about these races. <laugh>

I think the differing riding style of Walsh and McCoy, and the different types of horses they were on has given some the impression that Arctic Fire was going a lot better than Jezki, in reality McCoy had not asked for anything serious and was only making sure he held the position he wanted.

And of course, Walsh has never been beaten on a horse who looked to be travelling best, let alone on a horse who is 2 from 12 :biggrin:
 
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MullinsbosseditIjstlostit said:
McCoy felt he had Arctic Fire covered when he came to grief.

"The two of us were racing between the second-last and the last and this lad has an inclination to go left, so I wanted to make sure I got the inside on him," said the jockey.

"I thought it was going to be a tight race. Whether I'd have won or not I don't know, but 50 yards from the hurdle I thought I had him beat."

I tend to agree with the Greatest NH Jockey of all time, I reckon he knows a thing or two about these races. <laugh>

I think the differing riding style of Walsh and McCoy, and the different types of horses they were on has given some the impression that Arctic Fire was going a lot better than Jezki, in reality McCoy had not asked for anything serious and was only making sure he held the position he wanted.

And of course, Walsh has never been beaten on a horse who looked to be travelling best, let alone on a horse who is 2 from 12 :biggrin:
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McCoy = The best of a bad bunch that ride day in day out

He is not even the best jockey around these days. Geraghty and Walsh are not just better than McCoy, they are miles better!

It is no suprise McManus the biggest owner, rarely has many dominant G1 horses. Because they have the misfortune of having McCoy on top. It even took Geraghty to win Jezki the CH :biggrin:
 
MullinsbosseditIjstlostit said:
McCoy felt he had Arctic Fire covered when he came to grief.

"The two of us were racing between the second-last and the last and this lad has an inclination to go left, so I wanted to make sure I got the inside on him," said the jockey.

"I thought it was going to be a tight race. Whether I'd have won or not I don't know, but 50 yards from the hurdle I thought I had him beat."

I tend to agree with the Greatest NH Jockey of all time, I reckon he knows a thing or two about these races. <laugh>

I think the differing riding style of Walsh and McCoy, and the different types of horses they were on has given some the impression that Arctic Fire was going a lot better than Jezki, in reality McCoy had not asked for anything serious and was only making sure he held the position he wanted.

And of course, Walsh has never been beaten on a horse who looked to be travelling best, let alone on a horse who is 2 from 12 :biggrin:
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Shock horror winning jockey doesn't admit to being a jammy sod lol

MBIIJLI for someone who had their ass ABSOLUTELY handed to him on a plater at Cheltenham you don't half come across as someone who mistakes their opinion as fact <ok>

The fact that when both completed 4 weeks ago Arctic Fire comfortably held Jezki seems a total irrelevance to you! Hey, it's horse racing but it doesn't matter who finishes in front if you don't like the outcome seems to be your rationale :)
 
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beeforsalmon said:
Shock horror winning jockey doesn't admit to being a jammy sod lol

MBIIJLI for someone who had their ass ABSOLUTELY handed to him on a plater at Cheltenham you don't half come across as someone who mistakes their opinion as fact <ok>

The fact that when both completed 4 weeks ago Arctic Fire comfortably held Jezki seems a total irrelevance to you! Hey, it's horse racing but it doesn't matter who finishes in front if you don't like the outcome seems to be your rationale :)
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I was also recently on Misu Mac at 66/1 and the 16/1 winner in the race after it. Whats one week at Cheltenham? You know yourself that you are not always going to have a good week, and I didnt lose anything like you seem to think, I dont actually lay horses you know. I got beat in a game giving out mental odds, I better chuck it eh. And what do you want? Props for looking at the race card to find Mullins Walsh FAV.

The race 4 weeks might as well have been a 5f sprint.
 
Have rewatched it and I still think AF would have won by a couple of lengths but just a personal opinion. Why does whether I backed it or not matter Boris? I actually had both AF and Jeski as thought would be 1/2! Totally Impartial.
Pocket talk blames jockeys or interference / bad luck in running. He fell so end of story and to win you have to jump well which he didn't when it mattered. Its simply a matter of opinion as to who would have won and we will all have different views.
He jumped awfully today and didn't deserve to win bit but still nearly still did! To rubbish that performance and what he has done is silly tho.
I have a feeling WM saw him develop quickly and I think he will run in the WH next year. Mystic Meg am I and 12s would be more than fair!
 
When WM first got him he thought 2 miles and not a furlong further would be his trip. So cannot see him going up to 3 miles anytime soon. There are 2 mile G1 hurdles in Ireland and England, so Mullins can mop up in both, with Faugheen and AF being kept apart :biggrin:
 
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