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FA's Greg Dyke announces plans to restrict non-EU players

FA chairman Greg Dyke has warned Premier League football is in danger of "having nothing to do with English people" as new proposals to limit the number of non-EU players are outlined by English football's governing body.

The FA has also revealed plans to toughen the rules on home-grown talent in the latest proposals from itscommission, which was set up in 2013 to improve the England team.

The commission has also proposed changes to work permit rules having highlighted flaws in the system.

The stricter work-permit rules, approved by the Home Office on Friday, will come into force from 1 May.

Under the proposals outlined by the FA on Monday:

  • A player will have to have been registered with his club from the age of 15 - down from 18 - to qualify as 'home-grown'.
  • The minimum number of home-grown players in a club's first-team squad of 25 will increase from eight to 12, phased over four years from 2016.
  • At least two home-grown players must also be 'club-trained' players - defined as any player, irrespective of nationality, that has been registered for three years at their club from the age of 15.
  • Only the best non-EU foreign players will be granted permission to play in England.
Dyke on spotting the next Harry Kane
Speaking to the BBC's sports editor Dan Roan, Dyke explained the rationale behind the FA's new proposals by highlighting the impact of Harry Kane.

The Tottenham striker, 21, only made his first Premier League start for Spurs in April 2014, and is this season's top scorer with 19 goals.

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Harry Kane has earned a first England call-up on the back of a superb season for Tottenham

"We have to do this by negotiation with the different leagues and with the clubs - we have to convince them that this makes sense for English football," said Dyke.

"And we are helped by Harry Kane in truth - we are helped by seeing a young kid come into the Spurs team and become the top scorer in English football.

"How many other Harry Kanes are around in the youth teams of Premier League clubs? It was almost by chance that Tim Sherwood became manager at Tottenham for a time and put him in the side - otherwise he would still be out on loan at Millwall or somewhere else."

'An awful lot of bog-standard foreign players'
"If you apply the system we are just introducing over the last five years, a third of non-EU overseas players that have come here wouldn't get in," Dyke added.

"We don't want to stop the outstanding talent coming here, but there are an awful lot of bog-standard players as well.

"If we could get all this through, over the next three, four or five years, you could see the numbers of home-grown players going up from a percentage in the high 20s to 40%. It matters that this happens across the whole of English football, but it particularly matters to the top end of the Premier League.

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Just three English players were in the Manchester City line-up across the two legs of their recent Champions League loss to Barcelona

"The future England team by and large play for the top six sides. If you look in Germany, or Spain, it's always the same. And amongst the top six sides the decline in English players is quite marked.

"If you look at who is playing in the Champions League, the English numbers compared to the Germans, the Spanish or the Brazilians, are pathetic."
 
Amsterdam Roger said:
FA's Greg Dyke announces plans to restrict non-EU players

FA chairman Greg Dyke has warned Premier League football is in danger of "having nothing to do with English people" as new proposals to limit the number of non-EU players are outlined by English football's governing body.

The FA has also revealed plans to toughen the rules on home-grown talent in the latest proposals from itscommission, which was set up in 2013 to improve the England team.

The commission has also proposed changes to work permit rules having highlighted flaws in the system.

The stricter work-permit rules, approved by the Home Office on Friday, will come into force from 1 May.

Under the proposals outlined by the FA on Monday:

  • A player will have to have been registered with his club from the age of 15 - down from 18 - to qualify as 'home-grown'.
  • The minimum number of home-grown players in a club's first-team squad of 25 will increase from eight to 12, phased over four years from 2016.
  • At least two home-grown players must also be 'club-trained' players - defined as any player, irrespective of nationality, that has been registered for three years at their club from the age of 15.
  • Only the best non-EU foreign players will be granted permission to play in England.
Dyke on spotting the next Harry Kane
Speaking to the BBC's sports editor Dan Roan, Dyke explained the rationale behind the FA's new proposals by highlighting the impact of Harry Kane.

The Tottenham striker, 21, only made his first Premier League start for Spurs in April 2014, and is this season's top scorer with 19 goals.

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Harry Kane has earned a first England call-up on the back of a superb season for Tottenham

"We have to do this by negotiation with the different leagues and with the clubs - we have to convince them that this makes sense for English football," said Dyke.

"And we are helped by Harry Kane in truth - we are helped by seeing a young kid come into the Spurs team and become the top scorer in English football.

"How many other Harry Kanes are around in the youth teams of Premier League clubs? It was almost by chance that Tim Sherwood became manager at Tottenham for a time and put him in the side - otherwise he would still be out on loan at Millwall or somewhere else."

'An awful lot of bog-standard foreign players'
"If you apply the system we are just introducing over the last five years, a third of non-EU overseas players that have come here wouldn't get in," Dyke added.

"We don't want to stop the outstanding talent coming here, but there are an awful lot of bog-standard players as well.

"If we could get all this through, over the next three, four or five years, you could see the numbers of home-grown players going up from a percentage in the high 20s to 40%. It matters that this happens across the whole of English football, but it particularly matters to the top end of the Premier League.

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Just three English players were in the Manchester City line-up across the two legs of their recent Champions League loss to Barcelona

"The future England team by and large play for the top six sides. If you look in Germany, or Spain, it's always the same. And amongst the top six sides the decline in English players is quite marked.

"If you look at who is playing in the Champions League, the English numbers compared to the Germans, the Spanish or the Brazilians, are pathetic."
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great idea all for it
 
Hopefully it will encourage clubs to develop the local talent in future. With the exception of Arsenal there is a dearth of British players, but we are in the age of "off the shelf" European replacements just to add to the squad in case of injury or form loss. When Arsenal struggled in midfield the signing of Cazorla turned out to be a total success at the price they paid.

We have two Brits currently in our team both signed by ManC as allegedly future talents but more to balance the books when it came % of local players at the club. We all know that their form has been patchy to say the least but I am more concerned about their attitude in a search for success. Highly paid at ManC and with medals from success as bench warmers they made enough there to be able to coast for the rest of their careers.
 
Yeah, let's give English lads a chance... You never know one day a club may unearth a talent that will go on to win the European Golden Shoe!
The England manager would surely pick him over the ****e players that currently wore the shirt ?!
 
Funky Dick said:
It's not enough.
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All it means is the league becomes weaker in my eyes.

The young English lads getting through will be playing at a lower standard than they currently are. For that to work they need to put something in place to improve youth.
 
Why keep banging on about Harry Kane, hasn't Charlie Austin scored just 1 goal less and he's playing for QPR!
 
Safc83 said:
There's no system in place and basically our coaches just aren't of the required standard, I could go on all day talking about what needs to change but I wont bore everybody
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I recently put down my ideals on the congerton thread. It interlocks with making the DOF role important but gets my drift across

Funky Dick said:
You can see how it works better in the US though as they have a draft system where scouts have to compile massive databases setting up vast quantities of suitable targets as not all targets are guaranteed. It's far too much work for a Manager alone to do and demands it's own department. There isn't the same call to do this in England as the grassroots set up is ****ed and doesn't demand as much time or detail or planning. So most Managers see the DOF role as unneeded and stepping their toes in an area they feel they manage themselves. Set up our grassroots to have fa centers of excellence tied to University's, scrap the U18's at club level and set up a collage league and introduce drafts and scholarships where clubs don't get their hands on them until the U21 stage then everyone will have DoF, what's more I think the standard of young players in this country will improve, their head won't be in the stars as a big club will be unattainable without the graft and they finish their education too. The Yanks have a great blueprint over there and the DoF really earn their wages.
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It has other benefits too. Centers of excellence's would bring more coaches as well as facilities and a draft system would guarantee a much fairer spread of the talent.
 
Funky Dick said:
I recently put down my ideals on the congerton thread. It interlocks with making the DOF role important but gets my drift across



It has other benefits too. Centers of excellence's would bring more coaches as well as facilities and a draft system would guarantee a much fairer spread of the talent.
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I like the idea mate but have reservations about scrapping the under 18's level and you say clubs can't get their hands on them until U21 level, what sort of age would that start at and would it affect the likes of Wayne Rooney who came through at 16?
 
Safc83 said:
I like the idea mate but have reservations about scrapping the under 18's level and you say clubs can't get their hands on them until U21 level, what sort of age would that start at and would it affect the likes of Wayne Rooney who came through at 16?
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Not really, how many actually make the breakthrough at that age and become a success? So few that you could run a policy of fast tracking exceptional candidates, which would work much like some education systems where exceptional candidates move up a year so not to hold them back and ultimately graduate early, the same could be applied here. Meaning the fast tracked players are available for the draft at a younger age.
 
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