Off Topic mafia 5: game thread

So I get home late on the first day and find out that I am dead - despite being innocent yet again. You wait all this time for a mafia game......

 

It's possible he could be Mafia and have some hidden power that has identified Nozzer as having an important town role. Tho' like astro says, if Nozzer is innocent we will just lynch Mikey, so not sure why he would lie.

Unless he's just a standard Mafia dogsbody and willing to sacrifice himself to get an important town member?

 

I think we are safe to assume that of gerrez, Bodanki and goonercym that none are connected. Any of them could still be mafia, but I wouldn't expect two of them to be mafia from the same team as 50/50 lynch odds are pretty rubbish and you would of expected some attempt at moving things around. Could be one Italian, one Russian, or just one Italian/Russian or none, but I think two of them being frm the same mafia team is unlikely.

That's not much use right now but later on when we are looking for patterns it might be worth remembering.

 

"2. If the vigilante targets the mafia don a shootout will occur. After all mafia are not dopes. A straight coin toss will dictate if the vigilante is successful."

If the vigilante targets the Mafia don will they both identify each other? And will the town know about the shoot out?

That's the only reason I can think of for Mikey lying - if he's Mafia and Nozzer is the vigilante and unsuccessfully targeted the don then the don and vigilante may have identified each other. The don may then tell Mikey to finger Nozzer so he can't out him or try to shoot him again.

Although the rules say the vigilante only has £50 to start with and gets £25 a day, so in theory the vigilante can't strike that early. So unless we're missing something, Mikey is telling the truth.

Nozzer it is then

 

If Mikey is lying then it's a really complicated lie and one that my head can't cope with at this moment so I think it's fair to say he's telling the truth unless someone can come up with a very good simple reason why he wouldn't be?

Thing is, if Nozzer is mafia, he's the don which will be a huge win because it'll cut their money in half and leave them with only 2 mafia members. Now we don't know if Danilo was the goon or the prossie, but either way would leave us in a good position with just those 2.

Only problem is, the other mafia team are sitting pretty happy right now as well, 3 members still, assume they still have all their money and are near enough safe tonight from the lynching due to everyone pilling on Nozzers. Only way they can be harmed is getting hit by vigilante or serial killer... but then everyone has the same chance of that.

 

How much does vigilante need for a kill then?

 

MITO confirmed that Danilo was killed by the serial killer's axe not by a vigilante shoot out.

 

If Danilo was only just recruited, then I assume he wasn't the goon or the prossie?

The odds are stacked against Nozzer here. One question (based on the Toon version) before I cast my vote. afcftw mentioned there may be extra (secret?) powers, so is it possible that somebody else could have 'scrambled' what Mikey saw? (i.e. Mafia recruit Danilo AND confuse the witness so they ). This happened in the Toon game where KGB/mafia could tamper with investigations by the good guys so they report back false outcomes. I don't know how you guys do it, but just querying based on what afcftw said about knowing he has additional powers not disclosed by MITO.

 

True about Danilo, he'd have just been another member and Nozzer has to be the Don because the Don is the only one that does the recruiting.

Possible about scrambling the info... but if it's secret how are we meant to know? I think when we have something so obvious such as Nozzer being spotted in broad daylight by a witness that it would be silly for us to not follow up on that for fear of a "secret" that may or may not even exist?

All we know is that mafia can hack the paper.... I think it might be too much for them if they can also hack witness reports.

 

Think danilo was a goon. Isn't that what mitos report says?

 

Yes.... so either new Mafia members get recruited as goons.... or Mikey isn't telling the truth as Danilo was already mafia member so couldn't have tried to be recruited?

 

Are we sure it wasn't Danilo recruiting Nozzer?

 

Can mafia recruit from rival mafia? or is it just Townies?
Might explain why Danilo was reported as a goon?

 

Below quote says Nozzers recruited Danilo. That's really the only piece of info we have to go on at the moment... always sceptical in this game but seems pretty sure there. Would be quite foolish to ignore that I think?

 

"Police today found the body of a man decapitated by an axe; the man was known to the police and the case is presumed linked to Russian mafia activity. Sources named the man as danilo and he was a goon in the Russian mafia."

 

Rules don't actually state they can't but my guess would be no? Surely if you recruited one of the opposition mafia it's game over for them as they can tell you who the others are can just be killed off one by one..?

 

Not sure what you suggesting by that bit? I'd assume it just means new mafia members are recruited as goons and therefor when Nozzer recruited Danilo he went into the goon role?

 

So if I'm not mistaken, the options are:

1. Nozzer recruited Danilo, who was immediately murdered (quite a night for the poor chap). Nozzer = mafia Don
2. Mikey is intentionally lying about the Nozzer > Danilo link. Mikey = suspicious
3. Mikey had his investigations tampered with - who knows what that means?

That really helps. I guess we need to see what the papers say as the reporter may be able to shed more light?
Also what, if anything, can Danilo say to help us in his 'I told you so'?

 

Was just clarifying the quote based on previous questions asking whether he was reported as a goon.

Like you say, maybe if they recruit somebody you become a 'goon' by default.

 

Good point. We only had a two-way battle on the Toon match ( not 3-way with 2 rival mafias plus good guys).
Would surely complicate matters if the mafia could steal from each other. So can we safely assume Danilo was originally one of us, then recruited, then murdered? Or are options 2 and 3 in the previous post actual possibilities?