Off Topic mafia 5 pre-game discussion (includes sign up stuff)

[astro]

It's that time.

After months of nobody caring that I have to ask for sign ups for an international week Mafia game. In order to give some time to host a new game of mafia this thread is for conversation about rules and for people to sign up.

Please indicate you want to join clearly or i may miss you. (as in don't be shy say i'm in!!!!!) I expect nobody cares so if we've less than 10 players we will have to look at it.


Proposed rules:


1) If you're not in the game and are posting it will get deleted if i think its disruptive and giving actual voting input, ghostly voices from the dead will have some leeway: but not much. That's one I'm dead you fools post.


2) I am thinking about the forums milk gave for teams before. What will not occur this time is anyone who dies will not get access to any team boards. It was too tempting for me anyway. Those who dies cannot post on team board either please.

3) The only groups allowed to PM each other or use other boards are the mafia/cops etc. anyone can PM the gamesmaster (me this time). you are expected if you sign up to clear your inbox an/or sent so that you can ALL accept 20/30 pms during game

4) if you want to sign up but feel you might have an issue or time might not suit just say so. Even in PM. Do not take on a role which can affect the game if you feel you will only post a couple of times and miss out of half the game.

5) As the LFC v MAN whoever game is on the 22nd of March we will only start this game Day 1 at 10 am on Monday formally. I hope this gives time for all the usually wummery based on whatever happens in that game. Night 1 falls will be 8pm GMT. I plan one round every 24 hours. Night owls can read the days events, and get first comments. day workers can dodge work. i still suggest all try to get on from 7pm to 8pm to check thier votes.

Everyone should please bank some action and try to use the forum on your team and make an effort especially at 4-5pm if at work and if you've got a problem with 8pm at least have an action and vote banked.


6) Night cycle:

a) No set rules have been developed for this game yet. they will be similar rules as before but you'll know them before the game starts. as a simpleton I won't be tricky like astro with rules.

7) Please BOLD who you are voting for. You may change your mind at any time- but I will only count what you write in bold. Please also specify reason for the vote- round 1 this can be hard because it is all random and no clues to go on, but reading peoples reasons for a vote can be revealing, just as no reason is. Not posting a reason could be construed as "guilty".

"Random Vote" or "Revenge because you voted for me" are usually acceptable reasons in round 1 but not after that.

8) If you have a special role PLEASE bank an action via pm with me. I will accept actions banked on the forums if i use them. if you do have a special role please do try to at least read for the last 10 mins of day and get the best out of your action.

If I find any team has an issue, an people may have issues. stuff happens.... I will in time round allow empowering another team member to take the action. This will include someone has not turned up at all or someone has stopped interacting. I will not allow a team member change an action simply cos they think its right and the other person is not on form 6-8pm or something.


9) Roles:

I've not developed any specific roles yet as I'd like some input from everyone, including are they interested.

10) There will be a chance that one person per round gets struck down by a case of ebola and will miss their chance at voting due to being in hospital bleeding out their rectum. They will return fully cured for the following round. The function of this chance is for the games master to discipline anyone thought seriously to be messing during the round This will be determined AFTER all other nightly activity occurs.

11) final rule = enjoy. its only for fun. everyone is expected to lie, cheat and steal... nobody is innocent but its no reflection on anyone outside of game. Name calling can be someone else getting a bit too into it, tactics (which is not so nice as it spoils the game and likely to backfire on the person doing it) If you are offended use the SPECIAL safe words "at least i'm not as big a C as MITO" (then we can sort it cos you're not able for the whipping obviously.)

Remember: just cos someone can't see the answer doesn't means they are thick. they lack the info to call between 3/4 options. that's all. This is especially true of people with roles in teams thinking they know it all while ordinary townsfolk have no info.

12) List of players so far:

1. RHC
2. AFCFTW
3. Bodanki
4. Astro
5. Biscan
6. mikey
7. magic
8. Billy
9. Gerrez
10. Nozzer
11. Danilo
12. Swarbs
13. Valley
14. Less hope than neville
15. The sinful dwarf
16. trevornufc
17. BobbyD
18. goonercymraeg

MITO for the purposes of the mafia win condition (number is greater than the town) does the serial killer still count as a town person even though a 1 man team?

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

MITO for the purposes of the mafia win condition (number is greater than the town) does the serial killer still count as a town person even though a 1 man team?

Mafia win when they can out vote all other players so I'd guess the serial killer would effectively count as a townie in that instance

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

No for purposes of arguement a mafia team only wins when all other teams are dead and that team out numbers town

So serial killer is a solo team and has kills so if he is alive game is still on

Serial killer has very hard job to actually win and the cop and journo are his enemies

 

[Swarbs]

With the rules as they are atm (if I skim read them correctly), serial killer has almost no chance of winning.

He would almost certainly have to survive coin flips if he targets anyone else with powers, and would have to survive a coin flip in a lynching scenario before killing the last townie as well. Also masons and mafia could easily identify him if there are two of them left come the end. Sounds like it is just a role for creating as much carnage and random violence as you can before you die.

[HASHTAG]#perfectroleforRHC[/HASHTAG]

 

[Swarbs]

Tbh I would also give the serial killer a coin flip chance of surviving the lynch mob the first time he is targeted. He comes out high on meth, axe swinging, naked as the day he was born and goes for the lynch mob.

Then there is a coin flip whether he is lynched or whether he kills a random one of the people who voted for him to be lynched and runs off into the night. So if four people vote for him there is a 20% chance they get him and an 80% chance he gets one of them (20% each) then escapes.

From then on the serial killer is known, but the same rules apply - any attempt to lynch him comes down to a coin flip between him and a random one of the people he voted for. It would add an extra element to the voting, as the other teams would have to choose whether it is worth taking the risk of hunting down the axe wielding loon, or trying to hunt down the other teams and in the process giving the serial killer free reign to kill others.

 

[astro]

With the rules as they are atm (if I skim read them correctly), serial killer has almost no chance of winning.

He would almost certainly have to survive coin flips if he targets anyone else with powers, and would have to survive a coin flip in a lynching scenario before killing the last townie as well. Also masons and mafia could easily identify him if there are two of them left come the end. Sounds like it is just a role for creating as much carnage and random violence as you can before you die.

[HASHTAG]#perfectroleforRHC[/HASHTAG]

But even if the town identify the killer they can leave him if he's killing mafia

The killer should target the mafia first as if he kills the town first the mafia know who he is and just kill him

The killer needs as much town people alive to better hide his identity

He has a symbiotic relationship with the town

Also the masons and journalist should not publicly out the killer for these reasons

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

With the rules as they are atm (if I skim read them correctly), serial killer has almost no chance of winning.

He would almost certainly have to survive coin flips if he targets anyone else with powers, and would have to survive a coin flip in a lynching scenario before killing the last townie as well. Also masons and mafia could easily identify him if there are two of them left come the end. Sounds like it is just a role for creating as much carnage and random violence as you can before you die.

[HASHTAG]#perfectroleforRHC[/HASHTAG]

If who ever get the re really thinks on it, well it's not this bad. Yes it takes a lot of skill to pull off but it's an interesting role so do you want easy win or a challenge?

This is a challenge but if you think on what powers are you will see some stuff and strategies to win

 

[Swarbs]

But even if the town identify the killer they can leave him if he's killing mafia

The killer should target the mafia first as if he kills the town first the mafia know who he is and just kill him

The killer needs as much town people alive to better hide his identity

He has a symbiotic relationship with the town

Also the masons and journalist should not publicly out the killer for these reasons

Aye, in the short run they leave him alone. But in the end game, when one side is getting close to victory, the serial killer has little chance of surviving until the end, as he needs to kill everyone without getting targeted or identified by the journo and has to survive a coin flip for the last lynch.

He won't be killed off straight away, but I find it hard to see a plausible scenario in which he can actually win the game without a lot of luck.

I don't think there needs to be any changes to what he can do in terms of targeting and killing people, but maybe a bit more protection from being lynched, particularly if one of the sides gets quite dominant, would help make the role a bit more interesting without being easy imo.

 

[astro]

Aye, in the short run they leave him alone. But in the end game, when one side is getting close to victory, the serial killer has little chance of surviving until the end, as he needs to kill everyone without getting targeted or identified by the journo and has to survive a coin flip for the last lynch.

He won't be killed off straight away, but I find it hard to see a plausible scenario in which he can actually win the game without a lot of luck.

I don't think there needs to be any changes to what he can do in terms of targeting and killing people, but maybe a bit more protection from being lynched, particularly if one of the sides gets quite dominant, would help make the role a bit more interesting without being easy imo.

Even though it's difficult I think it would be one of the most fun roles

 

[BobbyD]

How about multiple winners. Say if the serial killer manages to survive long enough that all police and journalist are kille and he manages kill 5 people off his own accord?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Everyone needs luck

Think about how many players there are and how each is a needle in haystack

It's very hard to win as serial killer but that's the point.

This is game 5 and some are wanting ever more complex games. Dunno who will get it but it's up to them, let's see by day 3 or 4 who knows who is and who gets lucky

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

In short you all see the basic rules, I'll say no more some on Sunday will get specific role info and the rest of you? Well...

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Even though it's difficult I think it would be one of the most fun roles

Agree with that. When I when the seven hundred and eighty six pages of rules last night, the serial killer role was the one that interested me most. Wouldn't mind being the journo either.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Love the fact anyone can submit a random advert in the paper...

Think that's going to be the most fun part, writing and reading some random **** on there.... some people probably need to prepare for some abuse

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Love the fact anyone can submit a random advert in the paper...

Think that's going to be the most fun part, writing and reading some random **** on there.... some people probably need to prepare for some abuse

I'm used to it

 

[Obi Wan]

Bloody hell you lot post a lot - I'll do well to keep up!

My apologies in advance to whoever my team mates are. I usually get in from work between 7-8, so will do my very best to review the day's posts and make a useful contribution before the deadlines.

By the way, to make things simple, I will revert back to my better known user name of OBI WAN before the games commence. So The Sinful Dwarf will so be no more and will be replaced by by the wise Jedi Master.

This game looks awesome by the way MITO. Though I'm going to have to read the rules at least twice more before Sunday

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Bloody hell you lot post a lot - I'll do well to keep up!

My apologies in advance to whoever my team mates are. I usually get in from work between 7-8, so will do my very best to review the day's posts and make a useful contribution before the deadlines.

By the way, to make things simple, I will revert back to my better known user name of OBI WAN before the games commence. So The Sinful Dwarf will so be no more and will be replaced by by the wise Jedi Master.

This game looks awesome by the way MITO. Though I'm going to have to read the rules at least twice more before Sunday

90% of the posts are crap anyway, all you need to know if vote for gerrez

 

[Obi Wan]

90% of the posts are crap anyway, all you need to know if vote for gerrez

But how do I know that ^^^ wasn't one of the crap posts? Law of averages dictates it has a 9/10 chance.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

My advice to all including rhc btw is that you can skim the thread pretty easily and get an impression, you don't have to read everything in detail if you are looking for patterns

 

[astro]

My advice to all including rhc btw is that you can skim the thread pretty easily and get an impression, you don't have to read everything in detail if you are looking for patterns

That gives you posting patterns. If you're going to do that then the first couple of days you should pay attention to who isn't posting. Mafia usually start off hiding, wait for someone else to suggest someone to vote for, then jump on the easy targets.

Theorem: Anyone who seems guilty in the first 2 nights is probably innocent.