Gus Poyet
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Totally agree - so he kicked a few water bottles over - big deal! Is it a case of people just using this as another excuse to have a go at him because they want rid? If things were going a bit better,people would be defending him,saying what's wrong with a bit of passion.
A Gurdian report from this year claims the success rate is at 99% in the FA's favor in the appeals system which includes Player, manager and club.
Can't find any database of information unfortunately fella.
Wes Brown is doing all right, two out of two in fa appeals for Sunderland.
I've just found Poyet's likely defence in this case. Same ref, similar incident, only differance is the right and wrongs of the incident which led to each of bottle kicking incidents which surely doesn't matter in the heat of the moment.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is to get an apology from referees chief Keith Hackett over his dismissal during the Gunners' 2-1 loss to Manchester United.
Wenger was sent to the stands by ref Mike Dean in the dying moments of Saturday's match at Old Trafford.
Fourth official Lee Probert advised Dean after Wenger kicked a water bottle following a disallowed Arsenal goal.
League Managers Association chief Richard Bevan has been told by Hackett that Wenger will receive an apology.
"I've spoken to Keith Hackett and he fully recognises the situation was an error and an apology will follow to Arsene Wenger," said Bevan.
"Lee Probert totally failed to manage the situation and created a needless pressure point taking the focus away from the pitch in a big event with only a minute to go."
Well done to Mr Hackett for condemning the decision to send off Wenger as unacceptable, unjustifiable and wrong
DennisWatts
After his sending off, Wenger was unaware of where to go and firstly moved to the Arsenal dugout and then the main stand at Old Trafford before being ushered along the touchline to the tunnel as the game concluded.
Wenger demonstrated his frustration in the final seconds of the match when his side were denied a late equaliser when William Gallas was adjudged offside in the build up to Robin Van Persie's side-foot finish.
Wenger afterwards admitted that he had kicked the bottle not out of anger at the decision to rule out the goal but disappointment at his side's failure to get the equaliser.
Arsenal had earlier taken a first-half lead in the match courtesy of an Andriy Arshavin goal, only to see United hit back to take the lead through a Wayne Rooney penalty and an own goal from Abou Diaby.
Wenger was also unhappy with Dean's decision earlier in the match not to award his side a penalty for Darren Fletcher's untidy tackle on Arshavin.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is to get an apology from referees chief Keith Hackett over his dismissal during the Gunners' 2-1 loss to Manchester United.
Wenger was sent to the stands by ref Mike Dean in the dying moments of Saturday's match at Old Trafford.
Fourth official Lee Probert advised Dean after Wenger kicked a water bottle following a disallowed Arsenal goal.
League Managers Association chief Richard Bevan has been told by Hackett that Wenger will receive an apology.
"I've spoken to Keith Hackett and he fully recognises the situation was an error and an apology will follow to Arsene Wenger," said Bevan.
"Lee Probert totally failed to manage the situation and created a needless pressure point taking the focus away from the pitch in a big event with only a minute to go."
Well done to Mr Hackett for condemning the decision to send off Wenger as unacceptable, unjustifiable and wrong
DennisWatts
After his sending off, Wenger was unaware of where to go and firstly moved to the Arsenal dugout and then the main stand at Old Trafford before being ushered along the touchline to the tunnel as the game concluded.
Wenger demonstrated his frustration in the final seconds of the match when his side were denied a late equaliser when William Gallas was adjudged offside in the build up to Robin Van Persie's side-foot finish.
Wenger afterwards admitted that he had kicked the bottle not out of anger at the decision to rule out the goal but disappointment at his side's failure to get the equaliser.
Arsenal had earlier taken a first-half lead in the match courtesy of an Andriy Arshavin goal, only to see United hit back to take the lead through a Wayne Rooney penalty and an own goal from Abou Diaby.
Wenger was also unhappy with Dean's decision earlier in the match not to award his side a penalty for Darren Fletcher's untidy tackle on Arshavin.
the only difference between that and Poyet is that Poyet will have to say that he was disappointed with Rodwell getting himself carded and not angry with the ref.
You missed the other thing Poyet will have to say
"I manage Sunderland not Arsenal so I believe my punishment will be completely different for an almost identical offence"
He clearly kicked it because the penalty wasn't given fella. It's what triggered the whole incident. There's no way Wenger could have known if his player was offside or not, he simply didn't have the linesman line of sight to know if it was or not. So both managers reacted to an incident not going their way in the heat of the moment with neither knowing if they were right or wrong which tells me the right or wrongs of the on pitch incidents were irreverent, only that they both reacted to an incident.
The problem for me is that there's a difference between kicking a single water bottle and booting over a full cooler.
Still there's a big difference between being charged and receiving a letter of apology. There's undeniable inconsistencies between the two incidents. Me thinks in light of the Wenger case, reminding Gus of his duties would have been the right punishment, especially when you consider it his first touchline incident in the premier league.
I've gone from thing Gus is being daft to thinking he may actually have a point.
That's overturned reds innit?
I was more thinking about FA charges in particular.
I doubt they've ever back tracked but something in the back of my mind says John Terry.
We all know that lots of managers have done similar things and got away with it.
We all know what Bruce did was far more deserving of a ban.
However, we also know that this stands zero chance of being overturned..
We all know what Bruce did was far more deserving of a ban.
However, we also know that this stands zero chance of being overturned..
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Every reference I saw included players, managers and clubs. I think it's the same disciplinary comity who deals with everything. Anyway they don't publish their results, I think they should. So it's really tough to work out. I can't think of a manager who's won though. Wenger got off before charges.
