Biggest flop of the season.

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Biggest flop of the season ?

  • Mario Balotelli .

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Ángel Di María

    Votes: 11 73.3%
  • Another player in the English premiership

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • Total voters
    15
Workrate is often used to compliment a player who offers little else. It's why Lallana, Henderson, Kuyt are so highly thought of - because it's hard to see what else they offer.

That's not to discredit those playerrs - they are solid options but they will never be top class. In order to succeed, these players have to play with top quality players. Look at Milner - he's a workhorse. A very good workhorse who is underrated. But he would not succeed in our team because there are no top class players around him.

There were many workhorses in Ferguson's teams, cogs in a wheel rather than world class, those players have medals that show their worth whereas the likes of Ronaldo, Cantona, Rooney etc claim the plaudits.
 
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Workrate is often used to compliment a player who offers little else. It's why Lallana, Henderson, Kuyt are so highly thought of - because it's hard to see what else they offer.

That's not to discredit those playerrs - they are solid options but they will never be top class. In order to succeed, these players have to play with top quality players. Look at Milner - he's a workhorse. A very good workhorse who is underrated. But he would not succeed in our team because there are no top class players around him.

Henderson is the new Gerrard mate :bandit:

Obviously you want a player to have both but players like Neymar, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pires, Bergkamp, fat Ronaldo have very poor work rates defensively but their ability us the best around.
 
There were many workhorses in Ferguson's teams, cogs in a wheel rather than world class, those players have medals that show their worth whereas the likes of Ronaldo, Cantona, Rooney etc claim the plaudits.

A team obviously needs a mixture but if you had to chose work rate or ability then ability wins every time.

If there was no Cantona, Rooney, Ronaldo there would be no titles.
 
But if you had the choice of 11 players with hard work rate but no ability and 11 players with ability and no work rate, ability would win every time.

I think a Ability XI would lose nearly every weak. Teams would recognise their work ethic weakness and exploit it. It's harder to exploit a lack of ability unless you have better players.

In reality a Ability XI or Work Ethic XI would both be relegated.
 
So you wouldn't sign players likes Silva, Mata, Messi, Berbatov, Ibra because they don't work hard enough?

Silva does work, so does Messi. No way in hell would I have signed Berbatov and I've used him as an example in these arguments many times.

As I've already said, it's not a choice of one or the other and players shouldn't with just one or the other either.
 
Workrate is often used to compliment a player who offers little else. It's why Lallana, Henderson, Kuyt are so highly thought of - because it's hard to see what else they offer.

That's not to discredit those playerrs - they are solid options but they will never be top class. In order to succeed, these players have to play with top quality players. Look at Milner - he's a workhorse. A very good workhorse who is underrated. But he would not succeed in our team because there are no top class players around him.

If a player works hard but as little ability then he is a **** player. Equally, if a player doesn't work hard but has a mad amount of skill, I don't want them.

All signings should have minimum amount of each quality (including game intelligence) and never lack any of the three!
 
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Di maria has tailed off recently (the break in has really impacted his family settling) but his numbers are still decent.

Notice Astro mentioned Blind too <laugh>

Balotelli and Lovren have been awful. Even the worst players have at leasr one good thing you can point too. These two don't.

Ben arfa too (was it this season?)

The qpr team are another shout.
 
There were many workhorses in Ferguson's teams, cogs in a wheel rather than world class, those players have medals that show their worth whereas the likes of Ronaldo, Cantona, Rooney etc claim the plaudits.

Exactly. And bar Cantona, they each worked hard for the team too.
 
Falcao is on loan so how exactly can he be considered the worst flop?

Sure the worst flop is the one so bad even his team cant bin him. They would have to cancel his contract and would willingly pay others to get **** of him.

Falcao has flopped but his loan status prevents him being the worst. 6million and his wages (nowhere near 300million) were a gamble worth taking. So much so half the world was after him.
 
Falcao is on loan so how exactly can he be considered the worst flop?

Sure the worst flop is the one so bad even his team cant bin him. They would have to cancel his contract and would willingly pay others to get **** of him.

Falcao has flopped but his loan status prevents him being the worst. 6million and his wages (nowhere near 300million) were a gamble worth taking. So much so half the world was after him.

His wages are another £16m <ok>
 
Unless the guys with no work rate just stand still and expect it to be put on a plate f


His wages are another £16m <ok>

Im still waiting for the evidence. Despite United and Falcao both stating hes not I am sure one day someone will show otherwise.

Until then we shall just go off his loan fee.
 
Im still waiting for the evidence. Despite United and Falcao both stating hes not I am sure one day someone will show otherwise.

Until then we shall just go off his loan fee.

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