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SamKimish post: 7678318 said:
I truly believe that even Mohammed Emwazi deserves another chance at life if he can be truly rehabilitated.

I'm not arguing whether or not Emwazi is beyond rehabilitation or not - any criminal should be kept imprisoned until they are no longer a danger to society.
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Do you believe Ched Evans should get another chance at football?

Just wondering as it seemed that a lot of the people who opposed Ched's employment rights were the same people who are 100% supportive of the human rights of terrorists.
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
I believe in rehabilitation, but I am also sure there are some people who are unable to be rehabilitated. Someone who kills someone in a fight or during a crime or even kills a child with one blow can be rehabilitated and not be a danger to anyone else again, but people involved in truly dreadful crimes are so mentally damaged that it will never be safe to release them. They may convince you they are, but will never be normal again. You cannot give such people a chance...the chance of life should be given to his future innocent victims not to the killer.
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You're completely missing my point Fran, maybe I'm not explaining myself well.

You cannot gamble on somebody's life in the fear that they may be simply convincing you into thinking that they are "normal" as you put it.

I'm not arguing that all killers should be allowed to roam the streets after a couple of counselling sessions, I'm simply arguing AGAINST murder (which is what the death penalty boils down to).

Every human being deserves the CHANCE to rehabilitate, I'm not saying that every criminal will successfully reintegrate into society but they deserve the opportunity to be helped. If they are still deemed a danger to society then of course they should stay in prison, I wouldn't argue otherwise!
 
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As TheSecondStain alluded to in his post, they are plenty of reasons that people commit such heinous crimes; mental illness and an extremely poor upbringing are just two such factors.

Are we to blame a criminal for their actions when they are the direct result of mental illness?

I'm frankly shocked that I'm having to even argue against the death penalty. <doh>
 
SamKimish said:
As TheSecondStain alluded to in his post, they are plenty of reasons that people commit such heinous crimes; mental illness and an extremely poor upbringing are just two such factors.

Are we to blame a criminal for their actions when they are the direct result of mental illness?

I'm frankly shocked that I'm having to even argue against the death penalty. <doh>
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Not many people who have committed crime have a mental illness. And even for those who do, they have to be locked up for the safety of the general public. You are right to an extent with rehab, but the ones who commit heinous crimes should not be allowed to wander the streets freely ever again.
 
tomw23 said:
Not many people who have committed crime have a mental illness. And even for those who do, they have to be locked up for the safety of the general public. You are right to an extent with rehab, but the ones who commit heinous crimes should not be allowed to wander the streets freely ever again.
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People who have mental illness should be kept away from the general public I agree 100% . However , they should still have a quality of life , they should not be " Locked up " and forgotten about . It is an illness after all .
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
People who have mental illness should be kept away from the general public I agree 100% . However , they should still have a quality of life , they should not be " Locked up " and forgotten about . It is an illness after all .
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When I said locked up, I should have said in a secure facility, until proved they aren't a danger to the public.
 
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tomw23 said:
Not many people who have committed crime have a mental illness.
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"Among 518 offenders convicted of murder in Indiana, Matejkowski et al. said that 27 had schizophrenia, 14 had mania or bipolar disorder, 14 had another psychiatric disorder, and 58 had major depression. The authors themselves claimed that 95 of them, or 19%, had “severe mental illness.” Among those for whom a treatment history was known, 43% had never been treated or had been treated only once."

I'd call 19% a pretty high number of cases.
 
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The stepbrother of 16 year old Becky Watts has been charged with her murder. Sickening.
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Presumably all the others arrested assisted in the cover up...what a charming family. Just like another case when the ex-wife and son got involved in removing the body of the second wife. I would never attempt to cover up a serious crime...my advice would always be give yourself up and confess. Ignoring the morality of it, they must be really thick to think they would get away with it.
 
Anyone else here use a dual display computer..? I am for the first time in about 15 years and it's quite a revelation. Nowadays, graphics cards can easily accommodate the demands of dual displays, and even the one I'm currently experimenting with from about 5 years ago. Of course, 5 years ago it cost a bundle. The other day it was given to me because the person had lost the dual display adaptor. I bought one on ebay [£3.70 new], and hey presto, it's back working good as new.

So I just wondered how many of you are liberated by dual displays and/or widescreen, or stuck with a cramped laptop, tablet etc.., as your main access to the Net.

I hasten to say that usually I access it through a 32" dumb LCD TV attached to my PC. Today, I'm experimenting.
 
SamKimish said:
"Among 518 offenders convicted of murder in Indiana, Matejkowski et al. said that 27 had schizophrenia, 14 had mania or bipolar disorder, 14 had another psychiatric disorder, and 58 had major depression. The authors themselves claimed that 95 of them, or 19%, had “severe mental illness.” Among those for whom a treatment history was known, 43% had never been treated or had been treated only once."

I'd call 19% a pretty high number of cases.
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Technically everyone has a mental illness.
 
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