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[Treble]

You might also offer this bit of advice to UIR. Then he might actually discuss the matter sensibly rather than just stonewalling a defence for Rooney because he's a Utd player.
The argument that it was a penalty regardless of the dive is worth discussing- claiming that it wasn't a dive is patent stupidity and hinders rational debate.

See my post above to UIR about Rooney diving. Trust me, what you say, I do far more to UIR than any livpl fan will with Astro, if ever. But I dont want to dwell on that, I think Astro's alright tbh.
The second point I'm not ignoring. He went down without being touched. We can discuss that all day long but I dont believe it has any bearing on the rights or wrongs of the decision in this instance.

 

[Treble]

That applies to loads of people on here, why pick on one person?

''But what did readers of The Independent think? We asked whether Rooney dived, was fouled or the game should have carried on without stoppage.
'Dive' was the clear winner - with 76 per cent and well over a thousand of you casting their vote that way. 18 per cent believe the Manchester United captain did not dive, whilst 6 per cent felt it was neither a dive nor a penalty.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-fa-cup-penalty-against-preston-10051987.html

Bcos he was the one responding . And I dont think what I said was incorrect or unfair.

 

[astro]

Schalke XI: Wellenreuther; Uchida, Howedes, Matip, Nastasic, Aogo; Neustadter; Hoger, Boateng; Choupo-Moting, Huntelaar.

Real Madrid XI: Casillas, Carvajal, Varane, Pepe, Marcelo, Kroos, Lucas Silva, Isco, Bale, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema.

Current Schalke boss Di Matteo packed the Chelsea defence to get a draw at Barcelona in the Champions League back in 2012 and secure a 3-2 aggregate win, before overseeing another impressive defensive display against Bayern Munich in the final to win on penalties.

He is once again using that tactic again Real Madrid, spreading five across the back to stifle Cristiano Ronaldo, Gareth Bale and Karim Benzema.

 

[Treble]

It's an unusual stat but Real Madrid have a poor record away to german sides...except that Ancelotti in his management career has a bloody great record away to german sides. As a result Real Madrid under Ancelotti have also had a great record against ze germans in last 12 months.

Saying that I've probably jinxed that now.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

See Camerone Jerome is 'dissapointed' that he wasn't racially abused and the guy said he's give him a black eye (Nero) and not alled him negro.



surely he he should be happy it was a misunderstanding and he wasn't racially abused...

 

[Treble]

Lmao at Real's gay away kit. Awful colour... looks like Liverpool's

 

[Treble]

Modric is a massive miss for Real Madrid.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

We understand astro. You dont know the rules of the game.

"Interfering with an opponent
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent."

Taken from the FA's website. In the opinion of any normal, competent, non-biased, not-weighed-down-with Man Hoof's-brown-envelopes referee, the fact that Rooney went towards the ball then moved back, thus causing the goalie to miss a comparatively easy save as he adjusted his dive to block Rooney's expected touch, would have been enough to adjudge that Rooney 'distracts' an opponent. The equally incredulous bullshit from various news outlets that the laws of the game would have to be re-written to give Rooney offside can be explained by using that nonsense equation of Adrian Durham in the Mail about Man Hoof 'haters' judgements being impaired: if you think Rooney was onside, if you think Felatio didn't shove the defender to the ground, and if think Rooney didn't dive (despite him leaving a trailing leg there even though he was so scared, apparently, that a 17st monster would break all his bones) then you are a) a Man Hoof fan, b) an Evertonian, or c) an 'impartial' English sports reporter.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

"Interfering with an opponent
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent."

Taken from the FA's website. In the opinion of any normal, competent, non-biased, not-weighed-down-with Man Hoof's-brown-envelopes referee, the fact that Rooney went towards the ball then moved back, thus causing the goalie to miss a comparatively easy save as he adjusted his dive to block Rooney's expected touch, would have been enough to adjudge that Rooney 'distracts' an opponent. The equally incredulous bullshit from various news outlets that the laws of the game would have to be re-written to give Rooney offside can be explained by using that nonsense equation of Adrian Durham in the Mail about Man Hoof 'haters' judgements being impaired: if you think Rooney was onside, if you think Felatio didn't shove the defender to the ground, and if think Rooney didn't dive (despite him leaving a trailing leg there even though he was so scared, apparently, that a 17st monster would break all his bones) then you are a) a Man Hoof fan, b) an Evertonian, or c) an 'impartial' English sports reporter.

Precisely.
All you have to do is say, if Rooney wasn't there, would the keeper have saved it? Answer, yes.. because it was trickling towards goal... but Rooney's being there and movement out of the way of the ball deceived the keeper..

Nor bloody rocket science

 

[UnitedinRed]

That applies to loads of people on here, why pick on one person?

''But what did readers of The Independent think? We asked whether Rooney dived, was fouled or the game should have carried on without stoppage.
'Dive' was the clear winner - with 76 per cent and well over a thousand of you casting their vote that way. 18 per cent believe the Manchester United captain did not dive, whilst 6 per cent felt it was neither a dive nor a penalty.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-fa-cup-penalty-against-preston-10051987.html

All this demonstrates is what I have been saying. Most people dont understand the rules. I dont know them all bit I am aware that for a number of years, wreckless and uncontrollable tackles are considered a foul. No contact has to be made and it can result in either a red or yellow card.

One of the first two examples of this were Carrick and Gerrard. Pretty sure both saw red despite making no contact at all amd it sparked a huge debate. Since then it has beem accepted as the law of the game.

Until Monday 16th February 2015 at about 21:30.

 

[Treble]

Ronaldo 1 - 0

Schalke have played well and unlucky to be a goal down. Real were so much better with Modric Di Maria and Alonso. Bale and Isco have been pretty good.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I think the kind of incidents we're talking about involve a natural pause in play anyway.

For example the penalty incident we've been discussing, the ref points to the spot and there's invariably a melee of players remonstrating with him and a delay of 30s - 1m+ before the kick is actually lined up. More than enough time to allow an off field official to view the incident a take a view.

So a suspected penalty offence occurs, the ref blows up and makes the screen signal, the 4th or 5th official views the incident and relays the verdict / discusses with the ref over the intercom.

It'd easily integrate into the game and might even add something to it.

Not if the ref didn't give the penalty.

 

[Treble]

Not if the ref didn't give the penalty.

But that would have been the wrong decision

 

[Treble]

Atkinson and his motley crew are having a mare. Some very poor decisions being given.

 

[astro]

Real 2-0

Tie over

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Not if the ref didn't give the penalty.

and we all know from rugby, cricket and other better sports that when the option exists the ref will abdicate the decision, call a halt and call for the replay every time.

we will see teams resorting to mass appeals on every contact.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Some quotes from people about the racist chanting by Chelsea fans and pushing a black man off the train and not letting him on...

"Some Chelsea fans claim the song was in support of club captain John Terry, who has faced claims he is racist in the past."

Because you often sing a random song about your captain not being a racist while pushing a black man off a train...

'We got on the train and at the station where the man was trying to get on we stopped for a couple of minutes.
'He tried to get on and a few people were pushing him off because there wasn't much space on the carriage. You couldn't move.
'People were saying it was because he was black. It's not true at all. I personally think it's because he was a PSG fan. Obviously they didn't want him anywhere with us. That guy in the video tried to force himself on, so they pushed him off.'

Pushing him off as not much room, despite there being enough room to stand? Then changes to say that it was actually because he was a PSG fan, so not because there wasn't enough room? You would have pushed him off if he was a Chelsea fan?
Force himself on? You being a Chelsea fan have never been on the tube in London where everyone physically pushes themselves on then?

"'That song was about John Terry. The only words I know is "he's a racist, he's a racist" and I don't know the rest.'

Again, massive coincidence singing that about Terry at that time?

"Phil, 16, said: 'We were singing the John Terry racist song. The chant was all to do with supporting John Terry - we were singing it to back our captain"

Singing it back to your captain... who wasn't there and couldn't hear you? Maybe at the ground where he can hear you, but in a tube, bit pointless...

 

[Treble]

Some quotes from people about the racist chanting by Chelsea fans and pushing a black man off the train and not letting him on...

"Some Chelsea fans claim the song was in support of club captain John Terry, who has faced claims he is racist in the past."

Because you often sing a random song about your captain not being a racist while pushing a black man off a train...

'We got on the train and at the station where the man was trying to get on we stopped for a couple of minutes.
'He tried to get on and a few people were pushing him off because there wasn't much space on the carriage. You couldn't move.
'People were saying it was because he was black. It's not true at all. I personally think it's because he was a PSG fan. Obviously they didn't want him anywhere with us. That guy in the video tried to force himself on, so they pushed him off.'

Pushing him off as not much room, despite there being enough room to stand? Then changes to say that it was actually because he was a PSG fan, so not because there wasn't enough room? You would have pushed him off if he was a Chelsea fan?
Force himself on? You being a Chelsea fan have never been on the tube in London where everyone physically pushes themselves on then?

"'That song was about John Terry. The only words I know is "he's a racist, he's a racist" and I don't know the rest.'

Again, massive coincidence singing that about Terry at that time?

"Phil, 16, said: 'We were singing the John Terry racist song. The chant was all to do with supporting John Terry - we were singing it to back our captain"

Singing it back to your captain... who wasn't there and couldn't hear you? Maybe at the ground where he can hear you, but in a tube, bit pointless...

You literally couldnt make it up...but they are trying

Btw there's a livpl fan saying the same on our board. LFC45 is going kamakazee over there tbh

 

[organic red]

Also,heard somewhere the black guy was on his way home from work. Looked too well dressed to be have been at the PSG/Chelsea game

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

You literally couldnt make it up...but they are trying

Btw there's a livpl fan saying the same on our board. LFC45 is going kamakazee over there tbh

When you said "saying the same" I assumed you meant the same as me condemning it and pointing out how pathetic the excuses are...

Turns out he's bloody arguing for them

Trust you lot to turn it into an argument about LFC though, [HASHTAG]#obsessed[/HASHTAG]