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[Tobes]

I think that might be ok if the ball goes out of play, or play is stopped for another reason- I'm not sure I'd like to see the flow of a game interrupted while these decisions are made.
Might as well go and watch American Football.

I think the kind of incidents we're talking about involve a natural pause in play anyway.

For example the penalty incident we've been discussing, the ref points to the spot and there's invariably a melee of players remonstrating with him and a delay of 30s - 1m+ before the kick is actually lined up. More than enough time to allow an off field official to view the incident a take a view.

So a suspected penalty offence occurs, the ref blows up and makes the screen signal, the 4th or 5th official views the incident and relays the verdict / discusses with the ref over the intercom.

It'd easily integrate into the game and might even add something to it.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I think the kind of incidents we're talking about involve a natural pause in play anyway.

For example the penalty incident we've been discussing, the ref points to the spot and there's invariably a melee of players remonstrating with him and a delay of 30s - 1m+ before the kick is actually lined up. More than enough time to allow an off field official to view the incident a take a view.

So a suspected penalty offence occurs, the ref blows up and makes the screen signal, the 4th or 5th official views the incident and relays the verdict / discusses with the ref over the intercom.

It'd easily integrate into the game and might even add something to it.

I agree, but only because you agreed with me earlier

 

[astro]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31525460

The FA's fines are pathetically small but they didn't even give one of those to Van Gaal for saying the ref was against them.

[HASHTAG]#consistentlyinconsistent[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#campaign[/HASHTAG]

"The Football Association decided his comments breached rules, but Van Gaal has escaped a fine" [HASHTAG]#forsomereason[/HASHTAG]

 

[Treble]

I've got a better idea. Why can't the 5th official or a 6th one on the stands be watching the game on a monitor and in a matter of seconds he could tell the ref that the incident wasn't a pen it was a dive and the appropriate action could be dished out suring the game. The problem with retrospective action is that it doesn't stop the cheat propering on the day, as his action could result in a win for his team. If he gets punished afterwards he's merely 'taking one for the team'.......

They need to get it right on the day

That's a very simplistic view bcos you're lumping all theatrical falls as conning the ref. Doing what you're suggesting wouldnt have changed anything in the Preston game. The pen was given for the rash challenge, not Rooney's swan lake display. And when is a dive not a dive? What happens when the player gets clipped and goes down like a sack of spuds just to make sure the ref gives the foul (rightly). The diving debate is a little deeper than the way it's all getting lumped together. Intent and context play a huge part in what I would class as gaining an unfair advantage. Not all dives/theatrics aim to do that.

 

[Treble]

Double post

 

[astro]

That's a very simplistic view bcos you're lumping all theatrical falls as conning the ref. Doing what you're suggesting wouldnt have changed anything in the Preston game. The pen was given for the rash challenge, not Rooney's swan lake display. And when is a dive not a dive? What happens when the player gets clipped and goes down like a sack of spuds just to make sure the ref gives the foul (rightly). The diving debate is a little deeper than the way it's all getting lumped together. Intent and context play a huge part in what I would class as gaining an unfair advantage. Not all dives/theatrics aim to do that.

Rooney's wasn't theatrical, it was simulation.

Yellow card to Rooney. Goal kick. Play on.

 

[UnitedinRed]

Rooney's wasn't theatrical, it was simulation.

Yellow card to Rooney. Goal kick. Play on.

We understand astro. You dont know the rules of the game.

 

[astro]

We understand astro. You dont know the rules of the game.

I understand them better than someone who thinks Dowd saw there was no contact so downgraded the card from red to yellow

 

[UnitedinRed]

I understand them better than someone who thinks Dowd saw there was no contact so downgraded the card from red to yellow

He got yellow because rooney was going away from goal.

 

[UnitedinRed]

Preston manager Simon Grayson knows the rules of the game. He says Rooney didn't dive.

So we have footballers and managers say he didnt and then we have some bitters and the idiot press claiming he did.

I wonder who might be a little more qualified on the matter. Gutter press and nobodies or professional footballs and managers. Oh and the rules.

Tough choice.

 

[Treble]

Rooney's wasn't theatrical, it was simulation.

Yellow card to Rooney. Goal kick. Play on.

Except the ref and most neutrals and rational folk agree it was a penalty regardless of Rooney's theatrics. Even other refs have stated this.

You need to occasionally discuss a topic without the bias. The goalie was an idiot and his rash challenge was to blame, much like Morgan against Gerrard a few seasons ago.

Paragraph 4 in the link below mate...

http://www.readingrefs.org.uk/ftmpages/FTM253.html

 

[astro]

FA Cup travel chaos

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/arsenal-manchester-united-fa-cup-travel-nightmare

Man Utd v Arsenal will finish too late for Mancs and Gooners to catch the last train back to London

One United fan, based in London, said: “The only option seems to be a peak [time] train the following morning which may exceed £100 for a single, plus accommodation which is sure to soar. It is doable for me, but it means two days off work.”

 

[UnitedinRed]

Except the ref and most neutrals and rational folk agree it was a penalty regardless of Rooney's theatrics. Even other refs have stated this.

You need to occasionally discuss a topic without the bias. The goalie was an idiot and his rash challenge was to blame, much like Morgan against Gerrard a few seasons ago.

Paragraph 4 in the link below mate...

http://www.readingrefs.org.uk/ftmpages/FTM253.html

If a foul was committed then no dive can take place. Sure he can exaggerate the fall but the moment a foul was commited, play stops.

Imagine it was the other way round Treble. Or Fellaini missed with one of his trademark elbows. These guys would suddenly know the rules.

 

[saintanton]

Except the ref and most neutrals and rational folk agree it was a penalty regardless of Rooney's theatrics. Even other refs have stated this.

You need to occasionally discuss a topic without the bias. The goalie was an idiot and his rash challenge was to blame, much like Morgan against Gerrard a few seasons ago.

Paragraph 4 in the link below mate...

http://www.readingrefs.org.uk/ftmpages/FTM253.html

You might also offer this bit of advice to UIR. Then he might actually discuss the matter sensibly rather than just stonewalling a defence for Rooney because he's a Utd player.
The argument that it was a penalty regardless of the dive is worth discussing- claiming that it wasn't a dive is patent stupidity and hinders rational debate.

 

[UnitedinRed]

as far as i am concerned when robbie fowler had this in the 90s he told the ref and the ref told him to chuff off and take the pen.... IMO the keeper rushed out stupidly threw a leg out and got what he got.

i think there no issue here bar banter


for replays.... this is what a 4th bloody offical is for.. there should be no replays in the ground for riot control and 4th offical should watch back 3/4 views in 30s and there should be no issue.

managers should not be allowed to be near him on this and any remonstrations should mean an automatic 3 match stadium ban as well.

really ****ing simple

Notice this post was lost on the nonsense.

 

[astro]

Schalke v Real Madrid

Ronaldo has managed just four goals in his last 10 appearances

[HASHTAG]#bringbackangel[/HASHTAG]

 

[Treble]

If a foul was committed then no dive can take place. Sure he can exaggerate the fall but the moment a foul was commited, play stops.

Imagine it was the other way round Treble. Or Fellaini missed with one of his trademark elbows. These guys would suddenly know the rules.

I'll be honest mate, rooney is no angel, he dives as does gerrard as does lampard as does young as does sterling as does half the bloody england squad. But on this occasion whether he went down or not didnt affect the correct decision being given. We ask for consistency but when the refs try to demonstrate it we dont like it.

The debate about diving is a fair one but until ppl distinguish what they mean as diving and accepting context and intent needs to be taken into account, I think it's all a little unworkable.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Except the ref and most neutrals and rational folk agree it was a penalty regardless of Rooney's theatrics. Even other refs have stated this.

You need to occasionally discuss a topic without the bias. The goalie was an idiot and his rash challenge was to blame, much like Morgan against Gerrard a few seasons ago.

Paragraph 4 in the link below mate...

http://www.readingrefs.org.uk/ftmpages/FTM253.html

That applies to loads of people on here, why pick on one person?

''But what did readers of The Independent think? We asked whether Rooney dived, was fouled or the game should have carried on without stoppage.
'Dive' was the clear winner - with 76 per cent and well over a thousand of you casting their vote that way. 18 per cent believe the Manchester United captain did not dive, whilst 6 per cent felt it was neither a dive nor a penalty.''

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-fa-cup-penalty-against-preston-10051987.html

 

[UnitedinRed]

You might also offer this bit of advice to UIR. Then he might actually discuss the matter sensibly rather than just stonewalling a defence for Rooney because he's a Utd player.
The argument that it was a penalty regardless of the dive is worth discussing- claiming that it wasn't a dive is patent stupidity and hinders rational debate.

Its been discussed. It was a foul and it took place within the penalty area. Correct call was a penalty.

The only debate is on why players have to go down because refs wont give a decision otherwise.

 

[UnitedinRed]

I'll be honest mate, rooney is no angel, he dives as does gerrard as does lampard as does young as does sterling as does half the bloody england squad. But on this occasion whether he went down or not didnt affect the correct decision being given. We ask for consistency but when the refs try to demonstrate it we dont like it.

The debate about diving is a fair one but until ppl distinguish what they mean as diving and accepting context and intent needs to be taken into account, I think it's all a little unworkable.

There is and never has been any honesty in football. Rooney has dived many times. Your example v Arsenal was great.

I wonder how many on here feel Liverpool should be on 4 european cups. I am going to go with none.