Liverpool FC cannot afford to lose Lucas Leiva

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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I hear you but Lucas will not be happy rotating or sitting on the bench, so he wouldn't accept it.

I rather we sign a natural DM who can cover ground quickly and last 90 mins. <ok>
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What player is happy about missing games...? He'd be competing, not rotating. Or, in other words, he'd have to earn his place (as would his rival) in the team like all players should. Its the 'improve the first team the the squad takes care of itself' approach.

I agree with preferring a Mascherano type DM though <ok>
 
Gerrez said:
What player is happy about missing games...? He'd be competing, not rotating. Or, in other words, he'd have to earn his place (as would his rival) in the team like all players should. Its the 'improve the first team the the squad takes care of itself' approach.

I agree with preferring a Mascherano type DM though <ok>
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But you then get to a point where you have an experienced player who expects to play week in week out sitting on the bench. Lucas is on decent wages as well and this club cannot afford to have a Chelsea esque squad.

I do agree that you should buy first team players, and the players they replace then become squad players.

It's what annoys me about the summer's activity - Lallana, Lovren and Mario were the 'first team' players. None are better than what we currently had already.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I hear you but Lucas will not be happy rotating or sitting on the bench, so he wouldn't accept it.

I rather we sign a natural DM who can cover ground quickly and last 90 mins. <ok>
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I'd rather we get 60billion and go buy matic offering him 500k per week to **** on mourinho's desk while he leaves..

but then thats just me isn't it.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
But you then get to a point where you have an experienced player who expects to play week in week out sitting on the bench. Lucas is on decent wages as well and this club cannot afford to have a Chelsea esque squad.

I do agree that you should buy first team players, and the players they replace then become squad players.

It's what annoys me about the summer's activity - Lallana, Lovren and Mario were the 'first team' players. None are better than what we currently had already.
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And my response to that would be; I don't give a ****! No player should expect to play every game, they must earn the right to play.

I doubt Lucas is on more than £80k per week.
 
Gerrez said:
And my response to that would be; I don't give a ****! No player should expect to play every game, they must earn the right to play.

I doubt Lucas is on more than £80k per week.
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I agree with you - it;s more the case of having an expensive player sitting on the bench. £80k is quite a lot.

And Lucas will end up on the bench once we get a semi decent DM in his place :)
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I agree with you - it;s more the case of having an expensive player sitting on the bench. £80k is quite a lot.

And Lucas will end up on the bench once we get a semi decent DM in his place :)
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If he ended up on the bench then we'd have to look at the situation. right now, he's the first team option so anyone coming in would have to gain his place first.
 
We should def keep Lucas until summer, I think the new set-up has helped bring the best out of him. He looked evil last night in a couple of challenges, teaming up with Marko, Hendo and Can. In summer we should be looking to bring in the quality DM/CM we can all see we need and perhaps keep Lucas as competition depending on what offers are on the table vis a vis players in / Lucas out. But then if we bring in a new DM/CM we already have Can who we bought to play in that role so would we want three for the position?? Can is doing amazingly well at the back. I think he could continue to play there and start trying to come further forward looking to take the ball away, tackle, intercept and play it out when we're in position. But then maybe this would mean he'd get out of position. Basically I think Can is going to be a top top player and will boss wherever he plays. Really like this guy. [HASHTAG]#mancrush[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#kidding[/HASHTAG]
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
And Lucas will end up on the bench once we get a semi decent DM in his place
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That's where opinion just differs though, I think Lucas is an excellent DM and we'll find it hard to replace him or to find competition for him as it's a specialist position and there are not many who are exceptional at it.
 
I think this is a good example of how I feel, a list of the top 10 DM's in the world. Lahm & Shweinsteiger are in there and quite high but not DM's the fella from City isn't all that imo but he is at 10. The rest no doubt are good but are we really going to fork out the money needed to buy one of them? I hope not.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
this window no cos we won't replace but thats the point. if it were may we'd move on.

however seeing there's really no danger he is going then i find it generally a moot point.

We might as well say we can't afford him to pick up an injury..

I'd say we can't afford to lose a number of the players on show to injury as we can't replace many

eg.

sahko.. only option is lovern.
markovic... he's done well but manquillo is not good on the attack and johnson is johnson
henderson... its just energy not on the ball but he is absolutely key to the press
coutinho... vital to creativity


just to quote a few not including lucas

I elft out stelring as he took a 2 game break and we won the league game he missed. ut he'd be on the list.

Lets face it without those it'd be lovern, allen, lambert, manquillo in and we'd be much worse off.
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All true. <ok>
 
luvgonzo said:
That's where opinion just differs though, I think Lucas is an excellent DM and we'll find it hard to replace him or to find competition for him as it's a specialist position and there are not many who are exceptional at it.
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Especially in the way Brod wants them to perform; more of a holding player than DM
 
luvgonzo said:
His passing was excellent last night and he's really showing people that this sideways label is nonsense.
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I think his passing has always been very good. I think he was unfairly criticised based on us being spoilt with Alonso.
 
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luvgonzo said:
Didn't know that, social media is ****ing stupid! This place included. <laugh>
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Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry on here. It seems that as soon as one player either improves or is dropped then people just move to another target.
As for social media in general- there is a positive role for it, but unfortunately it offers a high-profile mouthpiece to people who really don't deserve it and would otherwise be limited to having a rant in the pub.
Insulting someone directly who is clearly doing their best, from the relative anonymity of Twatter etc, is cowardly and stupid.
 
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saintanton said:
Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry on here. It seems that as soon as one player either improves or is dropped then people just move to another target.
As for social media in general- there is a positive role for it, but unfortunately it offers a high-profile mouthpiece to people who really don't deserve it and would otherwise be limited to having a rant in the pub.
Insulting someone directly who is clearly doing their best, from the relative anonymity of Twatter etc, is cowardly and stupid.
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Boringly, as always, this ^ <ok>
 
Lucas' primary job is to protect the defense and this he does to a high level of distinction. For a short fella, the amount of headers he wins is ridiculous. He knows how to foul players continuously before being booked. This is a key function of his position so as to stop the oppositions flow.

His is to play medium to low risk passes to ensure that his pass completion is high as well as to ensure we recycle efficiently. If we have to replace Lucas i'd rather bring his replacement and let him settle and then bump Lucas of the first team via better performance because if we get a player who plays better than Lucas, then we've got our own Matic
 
I don't have a problem with Lucas passing sideways - his passing is generally good anyways. All he needs to do is win it quickly and give it to his partner.

The problem I have is that his partner (Hendo) needs to do more on the ball to compensate. Between Lucas and Henderson, they spend a lot of time on the ball. Henderson needs to stop treating the ball as a hot potato and passing it backwards, or he looks forward and dwells.

Going back to Lucas - in the right system, he's decent. But he's not a top class DM. He wins less than half of his ground duels (around 40%) - this is his career statistic and it's not good for a DM. He's also slow to cover ground and can lose his runner (at times). The biggest issue is that he will fade after 60 mins. And this is when teams will pounce. There was one moment against Villa when the Spanish kid waltzed right past him. It happens pretty much every match.

I appreciate there is a difference opinion on Lucas, but personally I do not rate him as highly as others for the reasons above.

We were spoilt with the likes of Didi and Mascherano - both were critical in this team which won trophies and achieved consistent CL football.
 
Maybe Lucas is upset he didn't get the captaincy, but he isn't showing it on the pitch
 
Someone post the passing stats for Hendo and Lucas, they getting unjustified here!
 
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