United v Liverpool match thread

[UnitedinRed]

Yeh I hear that all the time, another generic comment but no examples UIR. Then ask yourself, how many times did he break up our play??

First half. Every time.

Second half, not once. The improvement was worthy of at least some praise.

Not generic either. Im just one to give credit where its due. Not many players would take all tge stick he has and put together some form of performance.

He may be ****e but you cant fault his determination.

 

[Christiansmith]

Yeh I hear that all the time, another generic comment but no examples UIR. Then ask yourself, how many times did he break up our play??

I am not a great fan of Fellaini but to be fair he has stuck a leg here and there to nick the ball during the match. He has won the ball a few times with headers... Having said that he has once or twice given the ball away in dangerous areas. I think I can excuse these lapses as long as we win 3 points.

 

[Treble]

First half. Every time.

Second half, not once. The improvement was worthy of at least some praise.

Not generic either. Im just one to give credit where its due. Not many players would take all tge stick he has and put together some form of performance.

He may be ****e but you cant fault his determination.

I wasn't even dwelling on him to be honest, just responding. And I've given him plenty of credit when he's played well. The point is UIR, he SHOULDN'T be there to "break up play". At best he is good at pressing and harrying opposition defenders further up the pitch, but really his best position is as an attacking midfielder. It was like Fergie trying to turn Anderson into a box to box midfielder when he was an attacking midfielder, didn't work then and trying to make Fellaini into a midfield general isn't going to work now. As I've posted elsewhere he is a stop-gap until other better players return and I want him to do well until they do.

 

[Chief]

Anyone watching sports personality?
What a bag of ****e. Here's an idea BBC, why not show some ****ing sport highlights.

I'm half tempted to watch X factor it is that dire.

 

[Mark D]

Apologies if this has been posted already and I missed it.

Some match highlights - the Liverpool commentator was at Old Trafford and its been a rough week for him

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?...862903&type=2&theater&notif_t=comment_mention

 

[King Shergar]

So 6 wins in a row, and all everyone wants to do is have a pop at a player who's played in every one of those games. Fellaini does have his weaknesses, but he does a lot of good work in games. He wins the ball and breaks up play, he's a massive aerial threat, and is vital in both penalty areas for defending and attacking set pieces. Don't underestimate the job he does. LVG is well aware of Fellaini's good play, and he won't be dropping him anytime soon.

I agree aswell that you can get more out of Fellaini playing him further forward, but we do have to many players in those areas to start him there. However if were desperate for a goal, we can always just push him up there. He still does a very good job as a central midfield player though.

 

[Christiansmith]

So 6 wins in a row, and all everyone wants to do is have a pop at a player who's played in every one of those games. Fellaini does have his weaknesses, but he does a lot of good work in games. He wins the ball and breaks up play, he's a massive aerial threat, and is vital in both penalty areas for defending and attacking set pieces. Don't underestimate the job he does. LVG is well aware of Fellaini's good play, and he won't be dropping him anytime soon.

I agree aswell that you can get more out of Fellaini playing him further forward, but we do have to many players in those areas to start him there. However if were desperate for a goal, we can always just push him up there. He still does a very good job as a central midfield player though.

I am with you. The TEAM is winning. Somehow. Like LVG said, it is as a whole team not as separate individuals. All are playing their part and if Fellaini was so bad, he would have been replaced. As long as we are winning, people should lay off him.

 

[weararedbonnet]

Not just me, but a huge majority of fans thought signing Fellaini from Everton was a good move. In fact, there were strong suggestions that SAF was interestd too. At Everton, he grafted and put in a full shift in every game I saw. Yes, he's not a gifted player with all fancy tricks and footwork, but under LVG he's doing a job and working for the team.

Last year he was terrible, but so were other players. So give the guy a bit of credit, if LVG thinks he's good enough, then that will do me

 

[philo beddoe]

So 6 wins in a row, and all everyone wants to do is have a pop at a player who's played in every one of those games. Fellaini does have his weaknesses, but he does a lot of good work in games. He wins the ball and breaks up play, he's a massive aerial threat, and is vital in both penalty areas for defending and attacking set pieces. Don't underestimate the job he does. LVG is well aware of Fellaini's good play, and he won't be dropping him anytime soon.

I agree aswell that you can get more out of Fellaini playing him further forward, but we do have to many players in those areas to start him there. However if were desperate for a goal, we can always just push him up there. He still does a very good job as a central midfield player though.

I think Fellaini gets the stick he does because of the style of play that he is synonymous for rather than in most cases his performances. Whilst I too don't believe that Fellaini is a long term solution, I am prepared to give him credit where his performances merit it.

People highlight his early booking, but their were a few others who picked up cards early too. He certainly improved from the Southampton game where I thought he was dog ****.

A very big win today, even though Liverpool are not exactly firing. I hope Di Maria is back soon!

 

[King Shergar]

The reason Fellaini continues to get so much stick is because some fans do not like admitting they where wrong. Everyone was so against Fellaini last season, that they can't swallow there prides and admit that actually he is a pretty good player, and has proved it so far this season.

I always maintained even last season that he was a good player, he was just majorly lacking in confidence. LVG has given him that confidence and he's starting to show his worth

 

[weararedbonnet]

The reason Fellaini continues to get so much stick is because some fans do not like admitting they where wrong. Everyone was so against Fellaini last season, that they can't swallow there prides and admit that actually he is a pretty good player, and has proved it so far this season.

I always maintained even last season that he was a good player, he was just majorly lacking in confidence. LVG has given him that confidence and he's starting to show his worth

Perfectly put KS.

 

[Stan]

Get real. Fellaini is a plodder who can't pass. He's a ****, immobile version of Matic who is a ****, immobile version of (an interested) Yaya who is a **** version of Keano. How **** do you want United to be?!

 

[Treble]

I think Fellaini gets the stick he does because of the style of play that he is synonymous for rather than in most cases his performances. Whilst I too don't believe that Fellaini is a long term solution, I am prepared to give him credit where his performances merit it.

People highlight his early booking, but their were a few others who picked up cards early too. He certainly improved from the Southampton game where I thought he was dog ****.

A very big win today, even though Liverpool are not exactly firing. I hope Di Maria is back soon!

Me too mate, but that depends on how he's played by the manager and who with. His best games have been against West Brom, Hull and Stoke and you'll see me complimenting him bcos he was played further forward. Same token, a truly balanced opinion would mean accepting when he plays badly, not saying he's played well simply because we won the game. The funniest thing is ppl use the weakest part of his game to defend him. I keep asking for specific examples in games to show where he "wins the ball" and "breaks up play" or is a "great tackler". It's easy to say but difficult to prove I'm afraid, hence why nobody ever does. As for headers, any 6'4" bloke is going to win headers, but what's the point of winning headers if every one of them lacks direction and goes to an opposition player and gives them possession anyway. I'm not making this up, it's plain as day if you watch him or pull up his stats on tackles won, balls given away, percentage of back passes etc. There's really no point in making any of this up, I really don't see the point. But hey, I must have an agenda against him It's a cop out to refer to last season, Young, Carrick, Valencia all got slated to different degrees last season, but credit is being given to them this, for a reason, and rightly so. I want Fellaini to do well (while Di Maria and Blind are out) but really do believe he plays better with a back 4 and Herrera, Mata and Carrick beside him

 

[Christiansmith]

Get real. Fellaini is a plodder who can't pass. He's a s**t, immobile version of Matic who is a s**t, immobile version of (an interested) Yaya who is a s**t version of Keano. How s**t do you want United to be?!

While he is playing in a winning team, he'll get my support.

 

[Diego]

So 6 wins in a row, and all everyone wants to do is have a pop at a player who's played in every one of those games. Fellaini does have his weaknesses, but he does a lot of good work in games. He wins the ball and breaks up play, he's a massive aerial threat, and is vital in both penalty areas for defending and attacking set pieces. Don't underestimate the job he does. LVG is well aware of Fellaini's good play, and he won't be dropping him anytime soon.

I agree aswell that you can get more out of Fellaini playing him further forward, but we do have to many players in those areas to start him there. However if were desperate for a goal, we can always just push him up there. He still does a very good job as a central midfield player though.

First 6 games for Carrick. Remind you of the first 3 seasons we bought Carrick, the annonymous man, the one who does his job with no flash, no real credit.
Fellaini has done a good job since he came into the team (he wouldn`t be in otherwise) but we lack a certain composure and fluidity when he is played instead of Herrera.

 

[King Shergar]

First 6 games for Carrick. Remind you of the first 3 seasons we bought Carrick, the annonymous man, the one who does his job with no flash, no real credit.
Fellaini has done a good job since he came into the team (he wouldn`t be in otherwise) but we lack a certain composure and fluidity when he is played instead of Herrera.

Agree aswell, Carrick is very underrated. He's been superb since he's come back

 

[Hoddle Is A Gob]

Fellani is only any use playing in an attacking role. He did ok yesterday but he certainly doesn't deserve too much credit you have better midfielders that will play when fit. If we had actually put a good midfielder in there against him yesterday he wouldn't have got a kick IMO.

 

[UnitedinRed]

Fellani is only any use playing in an attacking role. He did ok yesterday but he certainly doesn't deserve too much credit you have better midfielders that will play when fit. If we had actually put a good midfielder in there against him yesterday he wouldn't have got a kick IMO.

He would have got several as well as multiple flying elbows.

 

[Swarbs]

First 6 games for Carrick. Remind you of the first 3 seasons we bought Carrick, the annonymous man, the one who does his job with no flash, no real credit.
Fellaini has done a good job since he came into the team (he wouldn`t be in otherwise) but we lack a certain composure and fluidity when he is played instead of Herrera.

Carrick has always been the type of player who thrives when supporting creative attacking players. First three seasons he was the perfect foil to Scholesy, Giggs and Ronaldo - covering all three of them beautifully and giving them the ball in all the right situations. Now he has Mata, Rooney, ADM, Herrera and others to support so is back playing to his best again, and making the difference on a regular basis.

I agree on Fellaini's limitations, but I think he's in there partly just to give us some steel in the centre. He's not great with the ball at his feet, and is a bit of a dirty bastard, but his presence there in the middle of the park does disrupt the opposition's play and prevent them building much fluidity. Even if he wins a header and it goes straight back to the opposition, it means they have to build the attack again and gives our defence a bit more time to respond.

I do wonder if LVG is playing him there simply as a stop gap option, to get the team used to playing with a defensive minded midfielder to prepare us for buying Strootman in January. I can't see Fellaini as being a long term solution, but he could be used a bit like SAF used Alan Smith to cover for Keane before we got Carrick as a replacement.

 

[Stan]

Agree aswell, Carrick is very underrated. He's been superb since he's come back

There's a reason why he was the lynchpin of Fergie's midfield during several title wins, a CL win and a couple more finals. Other midfielders came and went, were selected and dropped, Carrick was always picked when available for selection. Other fans and the England managers simply couldn't see it.