O/T Working Man 1 - Arrogant Politicians 0

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The Press love to make a big deal about his u-turn on tuition fees, which is probably the most significant error of his time in charge. However, that was nearly five years ago now. People forget these things quickly (and I suspect will predominantly blame Clegg as opposed to LDs).

I think history will be a lot kinder to Clegg than the present is, for the reasons you state. Now, he's criticised as someone who was unprincipled in his pursuit of power, laughed in the face of the electorate that gave him significant support and ended up as a stooge of David Cameron. I think the future will more likely see him as something of a thorn in the Tories' side, as a moderating influence from some of their worst tendencies and as someone who pragmatically negotiated for the better of the country.


Won't make a difference to him now though. While I think the Lib Dems will ultimately do OK, I think he's finished. At least for the short term.

He was never going to win the debate about tuition fees, and Cameron knew this and used it perfectly to completely destroy Clegg's reputation over this one issue.

The Lib-Dems make up a tiny fraction of the coalition, of course they're going to get shouted down and out-voted on most matters, however as others have said they have actually done a lot of good in reining the Tories in, however of course we don't hear about any of that. Also, before the last election they wouldn't have expected to actually get into power, and therefore it's easy for fringe parties to offer the earth within their manifestos, realising they won't actually have to deliver anything. Lib-Dems got their bluff called on that one, had no chance of defeating the Tory motion and then were left with the blame for it all, which I personally find shocking - particularly as it was a Tory policy and the nobody blames the Tories for it!

Clegg is about the only one of the major party leaders that I actually trust, I genuinely think he's a good guy who has the best interests at heart, however he's been royally shafted by the Tories and he does have to take a large share of the blame for hopping into bed with them in the first place.
 
So if I start to read a book and don't enjoy it, I should spend 20 quid on it and hope it gets better before the end?

I think THIS belongs with you! <doh>

Did you ever actually intend to buy it? Or was it more a case of "let's have a quick look at some of the **** that talentless waste of space Russell Brand has come up with - arf, arf"?

You must have heard the old saying "never judge a book by a cursory glance in a branch of Waterstones" haven't you?

I've also failed to finish a book that I've started, even some really **** ones, and I certainly wouldn't consider myself even remotely qualified to pass judgement on it even if I had only read a few lines in a shop.
 
He was never going to win the debate about tuition fees, and Cameron knew this and used it perfectly to completely destroy Clegg's reputation over this one issue.

The Lib-Dems make up a tiny fraction of the coalition, of course they're going to get shouted down and out-voted on most matters, however as others have said they have actually done a lot of good in reining the Tories in, however of course we don't hear about any of that. Also, before the last election they wouldn't have expected to actually get into power, and therefore it's easy for fringe parties to offer the earth within their manifestos, realising they won't actually have to deliver anything. Lib-Dems got their bluff called on that one, had no chance of defeating the Tory motion and then were left with the blame for it all, which I personally find shocking - particularly as it was a Tory policy and the nobody blames the Tories for it!

Clegg is about the only one of the major party leaders that I actually trust, I genuinely think he's a good guy who has the best interests at heart, however he's been royally shafted by the Tories and he does have to take a large share of the blame for hopping into bed with them in the first place.

I completely agree - but I suspect the vast majority of the country does not see him that way.

Well, apart from Clegg being a good guy. I'm not sure. He's still a politician...
 
Did you ever actually intend to buy it? Or was it more a case of "let's have a quick look at some of the **** that talentless waste of space Russell Brand has come up with - arf, arf"?

You must have heard the old saying "never judge a book by a cursory glance in a branch of Waterstones" haven't you?

I've also failed to finish a book that I've started, even some really **** ones, and I certainly wouldn't consider myself even remotely qualified to pass judgement on it even if I had only read a few lines in a shop.

So how much of a book should I actually read before deciding that I don't like it? All of it? I really don't have that much time to waste!
 
I completely agree - but I suspect the vast majority of the country does not see him that way.

Well, apart from Clegg being a good guy. I'm not sure. He's still a politician...

Of course the vast majority of the country won't agree, the vast majority of the country are gullible fools who believe what they read and don't have either the mental dexterity, nor the inclination to wade through the bullshit and look at the actual facts before making their minds up.

Bit like a lot of football fans actually <ok>
 
Of course the vast majority of the country won't agree, the vast majority of the country are gullible fools who believe what they read and don't have either the mental dexterity, nor the inclination to wade through the bullshit and look at the actual facts before making their minds up.

Bit like a lot of football fans actually <ok>

The world loves you too Munky! <laugh>
 
So how much of a book should I actually read before deciding that I don't like it? All of it? I really don't have that much time to waste!

You can put it straight down in the shop, as I have many times with books I've perused over and considered buying but then changed my mind. There have been plenty of books I've put back down thinking "na, that's not for me" but I don't think I've ever been bold enough to tell all and sundry that those books I decided to not actually read are rubbish, or "puerile" based on just a couple of paragraphs!
 
You can put it straight down in the shop, as I have many times with books I've perused over and considered buying but then changed my mind. There have been plenty of books I've put back down thinking "na, that's not for me" but I don't think I've ever been bold enough to tell all and sundry that those books I decided to not actually read are rubbish, or "puerile" based on just a couple of paragraphs!

If you look back Munky, you'll find you are the only one who has mentioned "a paragraph" or, just now, "a couple of paragraphs!" I read enough to be able to form an opinion. I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match your's, but I am as entitled to mine as you are to your's!

Just for the record, I don't find any humour in David Brent or The Office, I find Eddy Izzard as unfunny as a bucket of ****, that is MY opinion and nobody will ever change my mind on that!
 
I felt the same way about Alan Clarke's Diaries when I picked up the first edition in the shop and read the first few entries I thought nah, this will be heavy going! However I persevered with it, bought the book and then ended up buying all 3 volumes! If I had listened to my initial misgivings I would have missed out on a brilliantly funny and insightful set of books that have kept me entertained on many an otherwise boring flight.
 
If you look back Munky, you'll find you are the only one who has mentioned "a paragraph" or, just now, "a couple of paragraphs!" I read enough to be able to form an opinion. I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match your's, but I am as entitled to mine as you are to your's!

Just for the record, I don't find any humour in David Brent or The Office, I find Eddy Izzard as unfunny as a bucket of ****, that is MY opinion and nobody will ever change my mind on that!

Dave's more of a Carry on man.
 
Just for the record, I don't find any humour in David Brent or The Office, I find Eddy Izzard as unfunny as a bucket of shit, that is MY opinion and nobody will ever change my mind on that!

Rather ironically, that made me laugh!
 
A guy at work the other day announced that he doesn't find a single thing John Cleese has ever done in his career the slightest bit funny, absolutely nothing at all.

Fawlty Towers, Python - the Ministry of Silly Walks for ****s sake, none of it the remotest bit funny apparently <yikes>

Needless to say he's not the kind of guy you want to get stuck in a lift with, very possibly the dullest individual I have ever come across.

Not really sure what my point is, but I guess I am saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of how wrong they may be <ok>
 
A guy at work the other day announced that he doesn't find a single thing John Cleese has ever done in his career the slightest bit funny, absolutely nothing at all.

Fawlty Towers, Python - the Ministry of Silly Walks for ****s sake, none of it the remotest bit funny apparently <yikes>

Needless to say he's not the kind of guy you want to get stuck in a lift with, very possibly the dullest individual I have ever come across.

Not really sure what my point is, but I guess I am saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of how wrong they may be <ok>

The strange thing is Munky, while I have been very vocal about my dislikes, like you, I find it incredible that someone finds John Cleese unfunny! ;)
 
Is it weird that I find all of the above mentioned funny?

Including Carry On...

There are only a few comedians I don't find funny - that gigantic woman who has a very successful show on TV at the moment (EDIT - Miranda Hart). Mind boggles with how any of that is funny. And Lee Evans. He can be funny occasionally, but mostly I just find him too sweaty and revolting
 
James Cordon is a ****er.

**** me - I've completely agreed with Carrabuh twice in one day!!

Think I need to have a lie-down.

Russell Howard and Michael ****ing McKintyre are the worst of those who call themselves "comedians". And what a shocking indictment of our society that they are the two highest earners in the business, raking in millions each every year.

Honestly, I despair with people at times, I really do.