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Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by Walsh.i.am, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. carrabuh

    carrabuh Well-Known Member

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    Yes. He dictates the philosophy, work ethic and mindset,
     
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  2. tipsycanary

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    Not in any way the players responsibility?
     
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  3. carrabuh

    carrabuh Well-Known Member

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    Not really. If people are inspired they will react correctly.
     
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  4. Walsh.i.am

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    Maybe it's partly the 'fear' factor, as well. Sir Alex F. clearly had it in spades, Moyes less so. Like wise Lambert, certainly during his time here. many have said how 'decent' and 'approachable' both Hughton and Adams are to the media etc. I would hope they'd have a nastier side if and when the occasions demanded. That may be another problem of promoting from within the club, as prior to his appointment, they were probably all 'mates'.

    Sometimes teacups / hairdryers etc is the most effective way to get things done. That would seem alien to the way Adams comes across?
     
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  5. FleetCanary

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    Bloody predictive texting, eh SN23?

    Presumably you meant 'C*** of all Norwich'! <whistle>
     
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  6. RiverEndRick

    RiverEndRick Well-Known Member

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    The trouble with 'fonts' is that they flow indiscriminately without any clear direction and then evaporate into thin air, leaving nothing of any substance behind.
     
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  7. tipsycanary

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    You really don't think the players have any responsibility to motivate themselves and each other? Sorry but that is ridiculous. Each and every player should want to go out to win no matter who there manager is. I would say I think psychologically football players are often very poor when you compare it to other sports. Yes a good coach should point them in the right direction, give good coaching and help them develop but they are paid a huge amount of money (part of the problem) to perform. They are a team and as such should help each other out and motivate each other. They are not robots who cannot function without the manager motivating them. Look at sunday league football and how motivated grassroots players are every weekend!
     
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  8. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    I'm not convinced this particular 'font' (however you wish to spell it) has ever had any substance behind it to be honest.
     
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  9. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    Carrabuh in 'ridiculous' comment scandal?? Surely not??? <yikes>
    Someone please say it ain't so!!
     
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  10. tipsycanary

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    Na false alarm. I think it is me who posted a ridiculous comment. He would never do such a thing. Im sorry
     
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  11. SUPERNORWICH 23

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    I would rather we signed young hungry Lg1players that would run through walls for the team than Prem failures from now on.
     
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  12. Home on the range canary

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    There are many studies on team motivation and poor coaching. Five themes that constitute the essence of athletes' experiences with poor coaching (lets assume there is poor coaching - the coach was let go!! Athletes' report- poor teaching by the coach, uncaring, unfair, inhibiting athlete's mental skills, and athlete coping. Two of these themes, inhibiting athlete's mental skills and coping, are closely connected to psychological constructs. The theme of inhibiting athlete's mental skills concerns their descriptions of poor coaches as being distracting, engendering self-doubt, demotivating, and dividing the team. The theme of athlete coping describes how athletes responded to being poorly coached. Researchers tend to conclude that the two themes, inhibiting athlete's mental skills and athlete coping, are related to several constructs in sport psychology literature such as motivation, self-efficacy, focus and concentration, team cohesion, and stress and coping. I tried to say that poor coaching leads to indecision and poor decision making in a previous post- these are the reasons why, or maybe the players/ athletes are making excuses. The bottom line is that coaching has to be very good to get the most out of players on an individual and team basis- it ain't happening at the moment!
     
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  13. carrabuh

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    All players want to go out and win, its stupid to think they don't. And stupid to say ours don't.

    Sunday league players, are you seriously telling me they are what the professionals should aspire to. Total nonsense. In fact ridiculous. They react just the same as everyone else.

    But a decent manager will get the extra out of them, will impose a philosophy they buy into, will get that work ethic on a consistant level.
     
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  14. carrabuh

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    Sounds good.
     
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  15. carrabuh

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    You're one classy chimp Fleet.

    Are you out drinking with JWM?
     
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  16. tipsycanary

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    You said motivation is all down to the manager and nothing to do with the players. I never said our players didn't want to go out and win. I didn't say our players should aspire to sunday league players.

    The only part I agree with is your last sentance. But that still requires the players to motivate themselves and each other, it is not just down to management.
     
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  17. carrabuh

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    I'm saying it comes from the manager to instill the motivation into his team. A poor manager will take away motivation, a good manager will reinforce it. That is why it is the managers responsibility.

    The manager should set the culture at the club.
     
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  18. tipsycanary

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    Well I'll leave it there so we don't go around in circles.

    But on another issue should it be the managers job to set a club culture? Or as times are changing should it not be down to a larger network then just one man. Many clubs abroad have director of football etc. Not just for Norwich but at all clubs.
     
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  19. Home on the range canary

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    intrinsic motivation is almost always high in professional sports, it can wax and wane but mostly it remains very high. Poor performance is very seldom attributable to lack of individual motivation- extrinsic factors are viewed as more important as the intrinsic ones are stable therefore coaching and team cohesion through establishing the correct mind-set for each player is paramount
     
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  20. carrabuh

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    I'd quite like a Director of Football to be the main man, I don't know if they pick the manager, but they should.
     
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