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Scotch Independence - the countdown

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by stopmeandslapme, Feb 5, 2014.

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Null

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    They need regulated...
     
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  2. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    If you can afford to pay then get health insurance go private.

    Don't see any problem with that.

    Paying a premium to the NHS to jump queues is a no no. The NHS is and always should be run on a need basis not on how much money you have .
     
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  3. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Good pool though
     
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  4. Null

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    But your money would be reinvested in the nhs...helping those it was designed to help.
     
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  5. Null

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    Aye?
     
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  6. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    They need prosecuted ffs. Everytime I've walked into a GP's office there is always a handful of random, non-medical items caked in pharmaceutical company logos.

    The lobbying and bribing culture needs stamped out. After that we can tell them to stop being ****s when they make new drugs and give them a 1000% markup.
     
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  7. Null

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    Only 100 percent...

    Scamming ****s
     
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    I couldn't agree more <yikes>
     
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  9. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    I wouldn't see a problem with it. Especially if its a optional or seperate tax.

    I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind paying a extra portion of their income to a tax if they knew that every penny of it went to the NHS. I wouldn't.

    Shouldn't move you up a waiting list faster though.
     
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  10. Null

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    <ok>

    Md gets it...
     
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  11. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    I get that they need to make a return on their research investments.

    What I don't get is why they are among the most profitable companies in the world.
     
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  12. A.L.D.O 4.1

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    Well actually that is exactly what Pud is saying. Pay a premium and jump the que.

    Which means those who can afford to pay get preferential treatment.

    What would be the point of paying extra otherwise.?
     
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    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Aye so he does. Is that why you deleted the bit in his post about not moving you up the waiting list ?

    Good try fatbhoy <ok>
     
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  14. Mick

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    Butting in here, and not really having a lot of knowledge on how profitable these companies are - investors are actually buying Greek government bonds at a return of like 3% per year. If it was that easy to open a pharmaceutical and make a lot more than 3% why aren't a lot more people doing it?

    It's a genuine question by the way - if these companies are making a lot more than standard returns then how are they protecting their position?
     
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  15. Null

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    Not jump the q as such...move those who pay to see private practise leaving nhs resources to those on no or low income.

    It's running both systems side by side.
     
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    I've no seen him say that. If he did, I don't agree.

    What would the point be? Extra money for medicines, machines, staff, ya know? Sort of stuff you put in a hospital maybe?

    I still think it would be a good idea - under the right circumstances of course.
     
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    That already happens.

    If you bring it into the NHS then those who can afford to pay will get preferential treatment.

    There is a finite number of appointment times for every ailment in the NHS
    If people are paying to get an appointment quicker then it reduces that number which leads to even longer waiting times for those who cannot pay.
     
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    Man a is an oap

    Man b is a fit 30 years old

    A pays nowt each month

    B pays an additional 20 quid a month

    For years both only use gp n some out patient treatment

    One month a falls n rips his ligaments, b tears his cartilage playing football. Both need key hole surgery.

    A gets his treatment on nhs.
    B gets his treatment done privately

    Both benefit from bs , and others, additional contributions which have been invested in nhs services whilst creating enough money to use private consultants.

    Like a cash plan but only one pays.

    Not everyone paying the additional would need treatment.
     
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  19. Not PC enough

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    i would but , you have chronic Salmonditis .

    Symptoms : the patient places fingers in each ear , often accompanied by repeating " nah nah nah , cant hear you "
     
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    Up until what, 2 years ago? The US was almost an entirely private market in terms of healthcare. I'd say that the US population is a steady revenue stream for any company, wouldnt you?

    I don't think its as simple as starting a pharmaceutical company. A few of them already have a monopoly and worldwide reach. It would take you years to rival their size and reach and even longer to have the facilities and staff to compete with them.

    Not unless you've got a spare 50 billion lying about.
     
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