I don't know but I'm just trying to logically see if he (Pardew) would want a recall clause seeing as the Manager clearly detests Ben Arfa. If he has decided he can rot in Hull and therefore doesn't put a recall clause in then they can employ whomever they want but it wont make a single bit of difference.
Looking at the picture of him holding the Hull shirt up his face does look noticeably fatter, that might be due to the fluff round his chin though. He came back to our club in pre-season and was fined for being "overweight", a lot of which his agent claimed was muscle. A lot of our fans, despite our blind faith are now of the mindset that we couldn't give a **** anymore. Yes we'll go to games and we'll sing our heads off and cheer every player on the pitch. If we win great but I think a large portion of our fans would quite happily see us go on a losing streak in the hope that it may force the fat controller to send p45dew packing. Quite what would be in store for us by way of a replacement is anyone's guess. Not sure there are many out of work managers kicking around prepared to come in and take over and be Ashley's arse puppet. I'm pleased I'm bloody 10,000 miles away from it all if I'm honest ! Good to see some of your thoughts on your board....never really been on here and you all seem like a cracking bunch. If you play HBA for what he is, and where he should be played you've got a real gem. He doesn't track back (unless he wants to), he doesn't defend (unless he wants to) he's an attacking midfielder and an absolute destroyer and game changer in my book. Play him in the right position and he'll be happy as a mackem in greggs. Yes he should do what he's told (as Pardew seems to think), but **** me, if I went in to work and my boss asked me to sweep the floors and clean toilets everyday (no offence intended to anyone on here that does that for a living by the way) I'd be ****ing spitting teeth and pissed off. My point is, that he wants and needs to play up front, behind a front two with some protection behind him. He will literally win you games singlehandedly ! Can't wait to watch your next game when he's available for selection.
No recall clause apparently... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/no-recall-clause-means-hatem-7710316?
Good write up http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/02/hull-steve-bruce-hatem-ben-arfa "Dubbed “a genius” by Gérard Houllier, his former coach at Lyon, Ben Arfa delights in deconstructing the best defences. Admittedly this unfulfilled talent requires subtle handling but Bruce has always regarded man-management as his strong suit while it is hoped the ability of Hull’s Egyptian owners to speak to Ben Arfa – whose parents are Tunisian and who is very bound up in his North African heritage – in Arabic will further help him settle into a side suddenly packed with pace, power and creativity. The Allams’ obsession with re-branding the team as “Hull Tigers” remains contentious but Bruce could hardly wish for more supportive owners as he endeavours to compensate for last week’s surprise Europa League elimination.
No recall clause! http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/no-recall-clause-means-hatem-7710316 Just seen this posted above
If he likes it here, and if a top 6 club doesn't come in offering him ridiculously high salary. If Bruce can get the best out of him for just this season, then he will have done OK for us.
This is exactly what I was getting at. Pardew thinks he has shafted Ben Arfa by sending him to 'little Hull' and there is no way he wants him rescuing his career back at 'big NUFC' even if he isn't there.
Technically he is still our player until his contract runs down. If Pardew is sacked and if a new manager comes in that wants him at the club, there is nothing stopping us offering him a new contract. Whether he accepts it or not is of course up to him as he will be free to do as he pleases. I'm kinda secretly hoping that he does the business for you, gets you into Europe whilst we finish outside of the top 10, and shows Ashely just what an arse clown he is employing.
Cronemeister, you say he likes to play behind a front 2.. any ideas what he's like when played as one of the top 2 e.g. partnered with Jelavic? I have a feeling Bruce could play him in that sort of role
Well yes there is that but it would be hard to get in negotiations with and have a good look at a player stuck elsewhere on loan for you to make that decison. So IMHO it does look like Pardew is trying to totally shaft Ben Arfa.
Okay, I get your point, but I would have thought Pardew would have had nothing to do with such clauses. The article would appear to support your point, but it's crazy on all levels, don't you think? Go back to our first season in the PL and the way Newcastle got sucked down to relegation, as it would have been madness if we had one of their players in a key role and they were unable to withdraw their services (as Sunderland did) - it's a clause that can be included and never used, but . . . it seems a reckless bit of business by Newcastle, who might rid themselves of Pardew and it simply gets better for us!
Unless I'm mistaken, outfield players can't be recalled from long-term loans - unless they're merely being recalled in order to be sold.
I have had a good read at it in the past as I have extended family in Newcastle so have taken an interest and as far as I can tell Pardew and Ashley speak with the same mouth. So if Pardew says he is 'bad news' Ashley will just shrug his shoulders say 'I'm not that interested as I'm getting my cash anyway' and add any clause Pardew wants.
Copied this off the Guardian message board. Consortium speaks a lot of sense. Thanks Consortium. I think Hull have played a blinder this transfer window, even with the unfortunate injury to Snodgrass. Getting Saints to play £12 million for Long almost certainly involved black magic and leaked photos of Katharina Liebherr that would put what's currently going on in the Fappening to shame. And even with Long leaving they still have the experienced Jelavic who can do a decent job leading the line while the more exciting Abel Hernández beds in. Dawson may be about as mobile as a rock but he never gives less than 100%, adding experience and depth to a already fairly solid back four. He should also help the development of Maguire and Robertson, two decent looking prospects. Livermore and Huddlestone is a well balanced midfield while Diame (as long as he stays fit) is a sort of budget-Yaya Toure, able to drive from deep with pace and power to frighten the opposition and create opportunities while doing a good impression of a midfield enforcer on the defensive side of things. And while those additions to the backline and midfield may be the sort of sensible, calm additions that get supporters nodding their head in appreciation but doesn't really excite them, the three attacking midfielders/wingers they've picked up are rather the opposite. Tom Ince may well have got a lot of mockery for turning down Milan for Hull and a lot of comments about how he's indicative of what's wrong with young English players but Hull have got a player with real potential there. Admittedly he's a bit hit and miss at times and he really needs to show that he's more than just potential now that he's 22 but he's an exciting acquisition. Hatem Ben Arfa deservedly gets the headlines... he's an incredibly skilled player who can win a game on his own but he's just (or even more) likely to drift around not doing much in either attack or defence leaving his team playing with 10 men. If he can be consistent and Bruce can keep him motivated then Hull have a player that I think most clubs in the world would be happy to have on their books. And if he doesn't work out then they've got Ramirez. In some ways Ramirez is the same as HBA... one moment of brilliance will be followed by 89 minutes of nothing at all (and then another 90 minutes of nothing, then another 90, then 45 before he's subbed, then he'll be benched for the next match). In others he's seemingly very different... from what I know he's extremely popular in the Saints dressing room and no-ones questioned his commitment off the pitch. He's had two seasons to adapt to the Premier League, looked far more decisive in pre-season this year and while I'm perhaps being blinded by optimism I thought this would really be his year. With both him and Ben Arfa coming towards the end of their contracts if they want to make a significant move (or in Ramirez's case get back into the first team at Saints) then they really need to prove themselves now. I think it's the fact that Hull have brought in that mix that so impresses me. The defence is solid with some talented prospects who can be rotated in, the midfield offers control, workrate and with Diame's arrival a bit of power, they had a competent set of attacking midfielders and strikers anyway but have now sprinkled on some stardust; if Hernández doesn't work out they have Jelavic, if HBA doesn't work out they have Ramirez, if he doesn't work out they have Ince, if they don't work out there's still Elmohamady and Robbie Brady and eventually Snodgrass will be back. That's a well balanced team with depth and options. The Europa exit was disappointing but does mean Hull don't have to worry about the squad being stretched. Expecting them to break into the top seven is a big ask even with the new squad but I think they should be comfortably top 10 and a real threat in the cups, especially considering West Brom's mediocre form right now.
He'd probably do a job. If I remember rightly we have tried him as a lone striker which didn't really work out, although I'm pretty sure it was only for a game or two. The vast majority of his time has been spent on the right wing when he's been put in the team. He'd probably do alright in a front two. Takes a decent free kick also which we are sorely missing since Cabaye left.
Pretty much on the money there. Pardew is Ashleys sounding board (arse puppet if you will). He takes all the flak from the fans/media etc (I'm predicting a **** storm will hit in the coming weeks). How much involvement Ashley has with playing staff is a big unknown I guess, and he may well just believe any old ****e that Pardew tells him, especially as far as HBA is concerned. Pardew and his backroom staff are all on ridiculously long contracts, and surely they must be laughing their cocks off at this knowing that they would be very unlikely to get a job elsewhere, so no one is prepared to stick their heads above the parapet and rock the boat by speaking out of turn or contracdicting anything AP says or does. Pardew headbutting Meyler last season was the ideal opportunity for Ashley to get rid of him without having to pay him a penny, although if rumours are to be believed any recompense would be offset by the alleged gambling debt that AP is paying off. Things have been bad under AP before and he's kept his job when others around him in the league have been relieved of their duties. It would be interesting to see what would happen if we ended up in the Championship next season.
Also in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-United-after-loan-signing-to-Hull-City.html
I have always been under the impression that Ashley does not get involved in the minutiae of the deals, sometimes being unhappy after the fact. I am very surprised that Lee Charnley (Chief Executive) has allowed him to be loaned without the recall.
