Slightly OT Paul Gascoigne

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Sir Cheshire Ben said:
The alcoholism is only part of his illness.

Would you give up on a cancer patient because it keeps coming back? Would you ask "how many chances do they want"?

He needs treatment, unfortunately the nature of his illness can determine whether he makes the right choices about the treatments.
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but that's a completely inane argument, he's been helped countless times, even got rich folk to pay for an american rehab.. i don't agree with it, but how much help can you offer someone? like best, somepeople can't be helped and gazza is one of them, he'll meet his end soon

and i wonder how much sympathy would be afforded to the average alcoholic, they'd be scolded at and heckled as being a waste of space.. i'm sorry but i dont really feel any sympathy for him
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
Those 'nothing to get depressed about' people don't understand that it's an illness.
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Macca. said:
Probably through the fact he admitted that he nearly killed himself through depression a few years ago.

And the fact he also has bipolar disorder.
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It is a common illness that many suffer from or deal with the ramifications of; he has had really quality support and treatment, it's his attitude that lacks substance.
 
Fez said:
It is a common illness that many suffer from or deal with the ramifications of; he has had really quality support and treatment, it's his attitude that lacks substance.
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I disagree. Many survive cancer others it kills. Each patient deals with their illness (whatever the illness) differently as there are differing degrees of illness & differing personalities dealing with it.
 
As someone who seen the effects of mental illness I have ever sympathy for Gaza.

Does he drink because he's depressed or does he get depressed and drink? Whatever way round it is, it's a vicious circle.
 
Allan mcgregor said:
but that's a completely inane argument, he's been helped countless times, even got rich folk to pay for an american rehab.. i don't agree with it, but how much help can you offer someone? like best, somepeople can't be helped and gazza is one of them, he'll meet his end soon

and i wonder how much sympathy would be afforded to the average alcoholic, they'd be scolded at and heckled as being a waste of space.. i'm sorry but i dont really feel any sympathy for him
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Are you consistent with all illnesses?
 
Some of the comments on this thread regarding depression and alcoholism are ****ing pig-ignorant. I wonder what their view would be if they suffered from these mental diseases. Telling an alcoholic or a depressed person to stop drinking or to stop being depressed is like telling a gay person to stop being gay. Have a ****ing word with yourselves.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
Some of the comments on this thread regarding depression and alcoholism are ****ing pig-ignorant. I wonder what their view would be if they suffered from these mental diseases. Telling an alcoholic or a depressed person to stop drinking or to stop being depressed is like telling a gay person to stop being gay. Have a ****ing word with yourselves.
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guess this isin't related to me
 
Ernie Shackleton said:
He had an addictive and depressive personality before he became a footballer. Bad things happened to him in childhood. I know people who knew him at school and he was a nutcase. He's not the brightest button. He's been badly advised. Friends and family have let him down. Bad things have happened to him. He has done bad things. There will be other contributory factors which I'm sure people can think of. The end result is the same. Here he is a hopeless, broken addict who no one seems able to help.

Yet he remains the greatest English footballer I've ever seen.

How can you have anything other than sorrow and pain in your hearts for the bloke?

One time he won't make it through you know.
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So you are in the know. I don't think so, as you spin this out as some sad story. He had as good or bad an upbringing as the lads or lasses around him, but he had a talent and his character, as with us all, used that. Of course he was manipulated by some, but he had huge opportunity to push that away - time and time again he chose not to. He still does that now. It's his character, it's him, so he must accept responsibility for being him. To compare him to someone who is struck down with cancer is missing the choices element that many adopt. Most of his close friends are at the end of their patience with him, it's only when sanctimonious carp like this comes out that some offer him another straw. I would never do him harm, but enough is enough; he is a clinical case the same as any other.



Sir Cheshire Ben said:
The alcoholism is only part of his illness.

Would you give up on a cancer patient because it keeps coming back? Would you ask "how many chances do they want"?

He needs treatment, unfortunately the nature of his illness can determine whether he makes the right choices about the treatments.

EDIT: Redknapp was defending Mackay today & came out with the line "nobody is suffering like him & his family right now". I wouldn't give HR the time of day or the steam off my piss. (sorry for being crass)
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Confused by your edit.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
Some of the comments on this thread regarding depression and alcoholism are ****ing pig-ignorant. I wonder what their view would be if they suffered from these mental diseases. Telling an alcoholic or a depressed person to stop drinking or to stop being depressed is like telling a gay person to stop being gay. Have a ****ing word with yourselves.
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Where has that been said?
 
Feel for the bloke.

Don't think he has the capabilities within himself to deal with his major issues.

As mentioned, I don't think he's been blessed with a lot of intellect. He's been taken advantage of by many a fame hungry **** in his time.

He's a sorry individual who can't help himself, which is precisely why it's pointless adopting the superior, judgmental position on this.

All the help in the world won't help him soon, it seems, but I don't think that means people should think it's fine to trash him and completely misunderstand his very complex and sad situation.
 
Party Hull! said:
Feel for the bloke.

Don't think he has the capabilities within himself to deal with his major issues.

As mentioned, I don't think he's been blessed with a lot of intellect. He's been taken advantage of by many a fame hungry **** in his time.

He's a sorry individual who can't help himself, which is precisely why it's pointless adopting the superior, judgmental position on this.

All the help in the help in the world won't help him soon, it seems, but I don't that means people should think it's fine to trash him and completely misunderstand his very complex and sad situation.
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i honestly believe i'd do gazza the world of good..
 
Fez said:
Where has that been said?
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Someone asked if he was a waste of oxygen because he keeps relapsing. The implication that he should stop was clearly there. Would you say a gay person is a waste of oxygen for refusing to be straight? Would you say a cancer patient is a waste of oxygen because they refuse to get better?
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
Someone asked if he was a waste of oxygen because he keeps relapsing. The implication that he should stop was clearly there. Would you say a gay person is a waste of oxygen for refusing to be straight? Would you say a cancer patient is a waste of oxygen because they refuse to get better?
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Whooaa, cowboy!!

Are you discussing a valid point or throwing out ****e to get an argument?

Do you see someone who is gay as being ill? I don't, so that's a nonsense point and, frankly, gives a bit of a hint as to how you perceive the gay element of society.

Cancer patients rarely have the luxury of choice.

Do you have any other gems of wisdom to hand?
 
Fez said:
Whooaa, cowboy!!

Are you discussing a valid point or throwing out ****e to get an argument?

Do you see someone who is gay as being ill? I don't, so that's a nonsense point and, frankly, gives a bit of a hint as to how you perceive the gay element of society.

Cancer patients rarely have the luxury of choice.

Do you have any other gems of wisdom to hand?
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tbf he already made out he was a bit homphobic before.. but anyway.. how the **** can you compare gazza to a cancer patient?
 
Fez said:
So you are in the know. I don't think so, as you spin this out as some sad story. He had as good or bad an upbringing as the lads or lasses around him, but he had a talent and his character, as with us all, used that. Of course he was manipulated by some, but he had huge opportunity to push that away - time and time again he chose not to. He still does that now. It's his character, it's him, so he must accept responsibility for being him. To compare him to someone who is struck down with cancer is missing the choices element that many adopt. Most of his close friends are at the end of their patience with him, it's only when sanctimonious carp like this comes out that some offer him another straw. I would never do him harm, but enough is enough; he is a clinical case the same as any other.
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Never met the bloke. Not in the know about anything. It was merely one potential cause among many for his illness. The point was that it doesn't make any difference what caused it, where he is now is where he is now.

Of course he is ****ing responsible for his own actions and the consequences of them.


It's too easy however to just call him a wastral ****.

Life's more complicated than that.
 
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