Spur's Trade - The Truth Always Comes Out

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Yankee_Jack

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http://www.southwales-eveningpost.c...ichel-Vorm-s/story-22086640-detail/story.html

If this report is accurate then the non-disclosed terms and structure of the deal with Spurs that sent Davies and Vorm out, for Sig coming plus cash (???? - we could only hope), will soon be disclosed to some extent or other.

How this is resolved should give us some idea on the relative values of the players involved and what exactly happened.
 
Looking at the way player exchange is set up it will be the percentage of the 'value' of the player that Utrecht can expect unless there was a clause relating to player exchange. It could be that Spurs will have taken on the 30% sell on clause.
Hopefully all will be sorted without recourse to the courts.
 
Just leads to more speculation. I doubt it'll come out and is moe than likely going to be resolved. Contract terms are usually pretty clear. Legal advice will be taken and that'll be the end of it.
 
Dragonborn said:
Just leads to more speculation. I doubt it'll come out and is moe than likely going to be resolved. Contract terms are usually pretty clear. Legal advice will be taken and that'll be the end of it.
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I'd say the opposite is true - contract terms are usually never clear. Just ask the 1000s of lawyers who make a vast fortune from working in contract law. There are so many issues involved in most contracts that it's just not possible to cover every possible outcome in a clear way. The courts are clogged up with contract dispute cases.

That Utrecht think the Swans owe them money but the Swan think they don't owe anything shows how clear the contract is. It probably didn't have a clause about 3-ways swaps with some cash.
 
Yankee_Jack said:
Was there any cash?
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I always thought it was Ben for £10 million, we bought Gylfi for £8 million and Vorm went for £4.5 million, so that would give us Gylfi plus £6.5 million for the pair of them, of which I think is a good deal, IF true of course, but there have been so many reports on the deals, it's all pure speculation.
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
I always thought it was Ben for £10 million, we bought Gylfi for £8 million and Vorm went for £4.5 million, so that would give us Gylfi plus £6.5 million for the pair of them, of which I think is a good deal, IF true of course, but there have been so many reports on the deals, it's all pure speculation.
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Oh i would take that in a heartbeat basically we have had gylfi montero and 2.5 mill. For ben + vorm
 
Spurs were the ones desperate for Davies , we should have sold Davies for 10 million and then said anything else we can help you with .
 
roofjack_22 said:
Spurs were the ones desperate for Davies , we should have sold Davies for 10 million and then said anything else we can help you with .
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At least 10

As an example of how our players are undervalued (undersold) this

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2014/08/mauro-icardi-liverpool-inter-milan-30m-lfc-transfer-news.html

It is reported Liverpool are prepared to bid E30 mn for Icardi of Sampdoria. A 21 year old striker who manager 11 goals & 2 assists from 33 games for Sampdoria after being released by Barcelona.
That was 9 goals, 2 assist in 23 games last season (missed 10 with injury)

Yet if the runners are try they didn't make a bid of near half that for Bony.
 
"...contract terms are usually never clear. Just ask the 1000s of lawyers who make a vast fortune from working in contract law. "

At the risk of sounding like our dear daiswan I know for a fact this isn't true. Firstly, "thousands of lawyers" don't make fortunes from contract law - at least not in disputing contracts. They make their money by drafting them. When you consider how many contracts are signed and sometimes disputed in football very few are actually taken all the way to court. This is usually because lawyers are astute and experienced enough to make their terms unambiguous.

In football contracts are pretty standardised and the reality is that money changes hands to either buy the contract or waive its terms in the form of transfer fees.

Having said that I agree with your point that 3-way swaps are unlikely to be catered for in your average agreement.
 
Dragonborn said:
"...contract terms are usually never clear. Just ask the 1000s of lawyers who make a vast fortune from working in contract law. "

At the risk of sounding like our dear daiswan I know for a fact this isn't true. Firstly, "thousands of lawyers" don't make fortunes from contract law - at least not in disputing contracts. They make their money by drafting them. When you consider how many contracts are signed and sometimes disputed in football very few are actually taken all the way to court. This is usually because lawyers are astute and experienced enough to make their terms unambiguous.

In football contracts are pretty standardised and the reality is that money changes hands to either buy the contract or waive its terms in the form of transfer fees.

Having said that I agree with your point that 3-way swaps are unlikely to be catered for in your average agreement.
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Good points.
I know some people (pub talk) are thinking back to the Ki contract and how we managed to mess that up! In the end it will probably be settled behind closed doors as that will be a lot less damaging than taking matters to arbitration.
 
Does it suggest that they only got the 30% if he went for at least £7 million which most of us would have valued him at? If so, could this be the reason why he went for £4.5 million?
 
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