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Cheers IWABTO

And its real genuine quality we really lack.. We have not had a central midfielderwho can control the pace of the game and dominate ball play since Gazza... and I find that a major worry.
Precisely... It is a worry, and its not the managers fault that he is left to pick a team from a pool of mediocrity...
 
Lazy argument, my arse:tongue: It can't all be down to the Manager. Every Manager since Ramsey has failed to varying degrees. Hoddle, Robson, Taylor, Capello, Venables, Ericsson, Revie, Greenwood, Keegan etc. You can't tell me they are all bad Managers. There is something fundamentally wrong when we play in major competitions. What i am saying is a nation like us, that is steeped in football, should be doing better. Let us look at how a successful nation like Germany does it. We should be doing as well as them.

I think we get obsessed with getting rid of the Manager, when we should be looking at other things.
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We really need a change in philosophy.. and as suggested by dickplum and IWABTO Our model should be based on Germany.. Germany manage to play good possession football while being able to utilise skill and the more direct play we use in England.. Otherwise we will just keep going backwards...
 
I have always thought Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool is full of sh1t, and the way that the Liverpool players have 'performed' at the World Cup has reinforced my belief that he blows smoke up player's arses. Johnson- sh1t. Henderson - sh1t. Gerrard - extra sh1t. Strurridge- no better than ok. Sterling - sh1t. Rodgers has been lying through his false teeth all year telling us these players are world class.

Also, why is it that English football constantly produces the same type of winger - a headless chicken with no final ball or decent finish. The list is endless....

Downing, Wright Phillips, J.Cole, Lennon, Townsend, Sterling, Lloyd Sam, Walcott- all crap !
 
Would alan pardew have done any better, after all, he was the top English manager last season. Or what about Big Sam? Or Chris Powell? Apart from at Liverpool, Hodgson has a fantastic CV, gone are the days when the likes of Brian Clough and Bobby Robson would be competing for the honour of the job.
 
I have Absoulutely no problem with Suarez biting an Italian. It's less harmful than a moody tackle or a headbutt. The bloke is a madman - granted. If Rooney fisted an Italian and we qualified you would hear no complaint from me. It's the overreaction that makes me laugh.
 
I have Absoulutely no problem with Suarez biting an Italian. It's less harmful than a moody tackle or a headbutt. The bloke is a madman - granted. If Rooney fisted an Italian and we qualified you would hear no complaint from me. It's the overreaction that makes me laugh.

The bookies also suffered a battering over the bite. Over £170,000 paid out today after they foolishly offered odds on Suarez doing it.

No doubt the Liverpool Grievance PLC will be out in force today supporting him...."he is traumatised by Hillsborough...it was Thatcher's fault he bit him......zzzzzzz"
 
I have Absoulutely no problem with Suarez biting an Italian. It's less harmful than a moody tackle or a headbutt. The bloke is a madman - granted. If Rooney fisted an Italian and we qualified you would hear no complaint from me. It's the overreaction that makes me laugh.

Are you serious? A broken leg will mend as will a brusied head.

What if Suarez was HIV positive or had Hepititis and he broke through the skin?
 
The bookies also suffered a battering over the bite. Over £170,000 paid out today after they foolishly offered odds on Suarez doing it.

No doubt the Liverpool Grievance PLC will be out in force today supporting him...."he is traumatised by Hillsborough...it was Thatcher's fault he bit him......zzzzzzz"
Why bring the Hillsborough tragedy into it, V-a-v?
 
Why bring the Hillsborough tragedy into it, V-a-v?

Because the Liverpool Grievance Industry PLC, also known as Liverpool FC and its fans, have milked it (Hillsborough) on occasions for all it is worth. It chimes with their culture of "victimhood" which allows employees like Suarez to get away with ludicrous claims including vendettas by the UK media as an excuse for biting people. The same Suarez who earns his handsome living in England, yet was quick to gloat about paying back the English when he scored last week.

How ironic that Liverpool fans bitterly criticised Juventus fans for refusing to accept an apology for Hillsborough.

The reference to it being 'Thatcher's fault' was presumably lost on you.

Basically I don't like the club, its fans, the culture that surrounds it, and people like Suarez full stop.
 
Because the Liverpool Grievance Industry PLC, also known as Liverpool FC and its fans, have milked it (Hillsborough) on occasions for all it is worth. It chimes with their culture of "victimhood" which allows employees like Suarez to get away with ludicrous claims including vendettas by the UK media as an excuse for biting people. The same Suarez who earns his handsome living in England, yet was quick to gloat about paying back the English when he scored last week.

How ironic that Liverpool fans bitterly criticised Juventus fans for refusing to accept an apology for Hillsborough.

The reference to it being 'Thatcher's fault' was presumably lost on you.

Basically I don't like the club, its fans, the culture that surrounds it, and people like Suarez full stop.

And the biggest load of Bollox award goes to ^This^ <ok>
 
Because the Liverpool Grievance Industry PLC, also known as Liverpool FC and its fans, have milked it (Hillsborough) on occasions for all it is worth. It chimes with their culture of "victimhood" which allows employees like Suarez to get away with ludicrous claims including vendettas by the UK media as an excuse for biting people. The same Suarez who earns his handsome living in England, yet was quick to gloat about paying back the English when he scored last week.

How ironic that Liverpool fans bitterly criticised Juventus fans for refusing to accept an apology for Hillsborough.

The reference to it being 'Thatcher's fault' was presumably lost on you.

Basically I don't like the club, its fans, the culture that surrounds it, and people like Suarez full stop.
No they haven't "milked it". It has taken all these years to peel away the layers of lies fabricated by the police and given front-page headlines by the sun. The culture of lying in the police force has now been exposed because they fabricated evidence against a cabinet minister. What would you have done in their position? Remember the Charlton fans sang You'll never Walk Alone in solidarity with the Liverpool fans at the time.
 
No they haven't "milked it". It has taken all these years to peel away the layers of lies fabricated by the police and given front-page headlines by the sun. The culture of lying in the police force has now been exposed because they fabricated evidence against a cabinet minister. What would you have done in their position? Remember the Charlton fans sang You'll never Walk Alone in solidarity with the Liverpool fans at the time.

They have in my opinion. The media campaigns for the Bradford Fire Disaster and the Heysel tragedy- caused by Liverpool fans - have been miniscule in comparison. I have heard the claim many, many times "lets win this for the Hillsborough families" or more recently "winning the title this season would be fitting in the 25th anniversary year of Hillsborough". After the Palace defeat I heard the comment "we deserved to win it because of Hillsborough". That bhas nothing to do with a rightful quest for justice - it is a maudlin sense of entitlement based on the notion of victimhood. Some police lied. Some Liverpool fans lied, as the CCTV footage proved. And who on earth was the Cabinet Minister who had evidence fabricated against him?

Suarez gets to play the victim because he comes from a club where he has it imbued in him from Day One.
 
who on earth was the Cabinet Minister who had evidence fabricated against him?
Surely you haven't forgotten Andrew Mitchell and the Plebgate affair? So far at least one copper is behind bars for that.
The difference between Hillsborough and the other 2 tragedies is that in addition to suffering bereavement the families had to fight to clear the names of those who died.
 
I think Liverpool do have a victim mentality.

They were, genuinely, victims at Hillsborough - both on the day (the crush was not their fault) and in the police cover-up afterwards. I am glad that at long, long last the families of those who died are on the way to getting some kind of justice. However, as Vol has highlighted above, they run dangerously close to being defined by it. They must never forget, of course, but it is not healthy to see every achievement as 'doing it for Hillsborough'.

I await their reaction to Suarez's bite with interest. It will say a lot about the club.