swanselona I think every decent honest hearted person is sickened by the plight and suffering of the children of this world, every day five jumbo jets full of children crashes, yet very little is mentioned in the media of the death and suffering of these children, but who is responsible? God or man? I am not here to preach at anyone, but one day this will all end...............
Tom thanks for putting that report up regarding the abuse of our children by Muslim Imigrants, seems that the ****philes are mostly Pakistani Muslim men, though Kurdish Muslims and Kosovan Muslims were also identified as perpetrators also, interesting statement on page 18: "We believe that our analysis will show that there are indeed prima facie reasons for considering Islamic doctrine to be at the root of this problem, both in Britain and in the Netherlands".................
I fail to see what's funny let alone 'comedy gold'. But instead of mocking, how about trying your hand at debating. Why are my views 'drivel'? I'm interested because it seems most here agree with them. Doesn't make us all right though I'll give you that. Tell me where in the Bible it says that dinosaurs were the dominant species for millennia which is the passage in my post you highlighted. If you quote directly as I have done then I'm more than prepared to say I'm wrong. Are you suggesting that the Bible isn't a work of fiction? If so what is your reasoning? I'm prepared to say you may well be right if you can formulate a reasoned argument. Are you suggesting that Genesis doesn't begin with God creating the heaven and the Earth and then placing Man upon it immediately thereafter? If so, what version have you been reading? Is it the one that said God made some hideous monsters and let them roam around for millions of years before wiping them out with a meteor? Then he did sweet fa for about 65 million years apparently. If so I ain't read that one so I'm a little unclear as to your point. Edit: just read your later posts. You are only confirming what I already said. Both holy books mention 'monsters' in passing as part of a story. There is no suggestion those monsters were the dominant species for millennia. Correct me if I'm wrong. In fact, Job refers to God saying: "Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you". Massive error there as the dinosaurs preceeded us my millions of years. If the behemoth were 'made' at the same time as us then Man could indeed look at them as invited to do so by the head honcho himself. Trouble is he's a bit off - by 65 million years. Abuse of chidren isn't the preserve of Muslims but as Mohammed was married to a child it's little wonder these gangs see little wrong with what they're doing. Perhaps that's something we can agree on a least.
A few years back, I had a white girlfriend, who's two brothers and father threatened her aswell as me with death, if the relationship continued along with a pretty serious assault resulting in a broken cheekbone for me, nice people, white christians, so full of bitterness and hatred.
This has got to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever read, anywhere, ever!! The level of ignorance you have shown with that statement is mind-boggling. I would still love to hear you back it up though.
"The Bible is not truthful and historically accurate to most people with a brain..." Phillip, I was raised a Catholic. Went to a Catholic school. Had this stuff rammed down my throat every day. Don't get me started on the bullshit in the bible I'll be here all night The first thing you need to get your head around is that "the Bible", that is the differing versions that are the basis of the major Christian religions today, is a version arrived at nearly 400 years after the death of Christ. They are a collection of books that have been written by many, many, many different people and have been edited to suit the needs of the authors every step of the way. Here's what is up on Wikipedia; "The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblÃa, "the books") is a canonical collection of texts considered sacred in Judaism and Christianity. There is no single "Bible" and many Bibles with varying contents exist.[1] The term Bible is shared between Judaism and Christianity, although the contents of each of their collections of canonical texts is not the same. Different religious groups include different books within their Biblical canons, in different orders, and sometimes divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into canonical books. The Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, contains twenty-four books divided into three parts: the five books of the Torah ("teaching" or "law"), the Nevi'im ("prophets"), and the Ketuvim ("writings"). Christian Bibles range from the sixty-six books of the Protestant canon to the eighty-one books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon. The first part of Christian Bibles is the Old Testament, which contains, at minimum, the twenty-four books of the Hebrew Bible divided into thirty-nine books and ordered differently from the Hebrew Bible. The Catholic Church and Eastern Christian churches also hold certain deuterocanonical books and passages to be part of the Old Testament canon. The second part is the New Testament, containing twenty-seven books: the four Canonical gospels, Acts of the Apostles, twenty-one Epistles or letters, and the Book of Revelation. By the 2nd century BCE Jewish groups had called the Bible books "holy," and Christians now commonly call the Old and New Testaments of the Christian Bible "The Holy Bible" (τὰ βιβλία τὰ ἅγια, tà biblÃa tà ágia) or "the Holy Scriptures" (η Αγία Γραφή, e AgÃa Graphḗ. Many Christians consider the whole canonical text of the Bible to be divinely inspired. The oldest surviving complete Christian Bibles are Greek manuscripts from the 4th century. The oldest Tanakh manuscript in Hebrew and Aramaic dates to the 10th century CE,[2] but an early 4th-century Septuagint translation is found in the Codex Vaticanus. The Bible was divided into chapters in the 13th century by Stephen Langton and into verses in the 16th century by French printer Robert Estienne[3] and is now usually cited by book, chapter, and verse. The Bible is widely considered to be the best selling book of all time,[4] has estimated annual sales of 100 million copies,[5][6] and has been a major influence on literature and history, especially in the West where it was the first mass-printed book. The Gutenberg Bible was the first Bible ever printed using movable type. Professor John K. Riches (writing for Oxford University Press) explained that "the biblical texts themselves are the result of a creative dialogue between ancient traditions and different communities through the ages",[14] and "the biblical texts were produced over a period in which the living conditions of the writers – political, cultural, economic, and ecological – varied enormously".[15] Timothy H. Lim, a professor of Hebrew Bible and Second Temple Judaism at the University of Edinburgh, states that the Old Testament "was not written by one man, nor did it drop down from heaven as assumed by fundamentalists. It is not a magical book, but a collection of authoritative texts of apparently divine origin that went through a human process of writing and editing."[16] During the solidification of the Hebrew canon (c. 3rd century BCE), the Bible began to be translated into Greek, now referred to as the Septuagint.[17] In Christian Bibles, the New Testament Gospels were derived from oral traditions (similar to the Hebrew Bible) in a period after Jesus's death, Scholars have attempted to reconstruct something of the history of the oral traditions behind the Gospels, but the results have not been too encouraging. The period of transmission is short: less than 40 years passed between the death of Jesus and the writing of Mark's Gospel. This means that there was little time for oral traditions to assume fixed form.[18] The Bible was later translated into Latin and other languages. John Riches states that, The translation of the Bible into Latin marks the beginning of a parting of the ways between Western Latin-speaking Christianity and Eastern Christianity, which spoke Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, and other languages. The Bibles of the Eastern Churches vary considerably: the Ethiopic Orthodox canon includes 81 books and contains many apocalyptic texts, such as were found at Qumran and subsequently excluded from the Jewish canon. As a general rule, one can say that the Orthodox Churches generally follow the Septuagint in including more books in their Old Testaments than are in the Jewish canon" Get that Phillip? Not the truth. Not divine. Not God's word. The collected bullshit from the region. I'll leave others go through the thousands upon thousands of inaccuracies contained within it's pages. I really can't be bothered. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Only a complete cretin could read such a thing....take the time to study it....and not conclude that it is bullshit. All organised religion is sinister.
How anybody believes any of the rubbish in the bible nowadays is beyond me. E.g. How a six hundred year old man and his family managed to go around the world and collect In a matter of weeks several pairs of every species. Then build the world's largest wooden ship Without the use of modern technology. Of course he lived for another 300 years or so. What a load of ****e.
Seventeen years living,in black Africa,is all the "back up" I need. "Kwame"? Black African male,right? If not,I'm sure you will advise otherwise.
I am so sorry for your experience, which clearly left a mark on you,in more ways than one. Whilst I wasn't threatened,I was outraged by the implied threat to the girl. Just for the record,I'm not a christian Thank god!
Perhaps I'm being too simplistic here. Why doesn't god just prevent the daily carnage caused by the "five jumbo jets full of children crashing"? Doesn't he care? I keep hearing that he loves everyone. Not much love in evidence in those jumbo's.
Because it was the work of the devil some might say in response to which I happily reply by pointing out that God made the devil so its still his fault, to which they just then shut up
My question was a rhetorical one,Valley. The stock replies to any such tricky questions are either - it's the devil wot dun it,or,god is once more moving in mysterious ways. It must be comforting for god to know that he can continue to see those jumbo's continue to crash,and not be held responsible. But spare a thought for the poor old devil,who seemingly can't do anything right. Whilst living in Africa,I spent many a morning in the local Court House,at the invitation of a friend who was a trainee lawyer. Every person who had been found guilty, blamed the devil for making them commit the crimes for which they had just been found guilty. That devil really needs to get his act together. 3)
Hmmm.... judging by the responses it's little wonder that Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK pretty soon. Most of its followers are reasonably devout whereas Christians are diminishing. The last census in 2011 was interesting. Christianity was reportedly the largest religion, 59.3 per cent of the population though 7% didn't answer the voluntary religious question and I'd like to think thats because they had no religion, but maybe not. The second largest religious group were Muslims - 4.8 per cent of the population. What should be a concern is that the birth rate of Muslims is almost double than of non-Muslims and now the percentage of Muslims among the under-fives is almost twice as high as in the general population. When you couple that with the fact that compared to the last census Christians had dropped from 71% you get the picture. That's a huge drop in just 10 years. My biggest hope is the rise of secularism in the U.K. 14.1 million people, around a quarter of the population in England and Wales, reported they have no religion in 2011. As it looks ike it's inevitable that Christianity will continue to shrink at the expense of Islam the large increase in those not wanting to follow any religion has to be a good thing. Well I think so anyway. Those who say the UK is a Christian country are wrong, and that comment will be laughable in another 10 years. Just my opinion.
Islam is on the move,and it's only a matter of time before it takes over The West,by which I mean Europe. The numbers of muslims already in place,together with their higher birth rate,makes it inevitable. I have posted previously that we are sleepwalking into becoming an islamic State, Can you imagine a muslim parliament with the likes of Anjem Choudray as the Minister of Culture? Happy days ahead, thanks to successive, ineffectual governments.
My favourite, and as an example I'll use an earthquake (any disaster works), is when a survivor is pulled out of the wreckage it's "thank God!". And from personal experience - when describing a severely disabled child a church goer said "thank God she's as well as she is". On "Prove this statement true, if you can!" - well true believers know the only true God is the chocolate teapot that exists at the centre of our sun. Now prove to me He's not there. You can't. So therefore I must be right. Your god is therefore false and I'm the enlightened and chosen one. If someone's telling me there's a god (or many) then the onus is on you to supply the evidence. Faith/imagination/superstition do not count. Try thinking logically and using common sense, it's actually very easy! I don't mean to be offensive but it's all utter and total bollocks. If you believe in an imaginary, invisible deity as reality then you are literally mentally unbalanced. Simple as that.
Regardles of the amount of time you have spent in Africa, your original statement is a nonsense and you know it. I and millions of other black males are proof of this.
Come on Vetch, I've read enough of your stuff to know that you're not a racist. Don't you owe Kwame an apology for your statement; "Black males,regardless of religious beliefs, are brought up to think they are superior to women." Nobody can speak for every black male's experience surely. I see plenty of banter on here that could be interpreted as a superior attitude to women (I'm guilty of it as much as anyone) and yet Kwame or other black posters wouldn't dream of posting; "White males regardless of religious beliefs...yadda yadda yadda.....". p.s. DragonPhil I see there was another one of those disgusting peadophiles in the news today.....Ian Watkins, a Welshman brought up going to chapel in the valleys...bloody Christians!
