The Breakfast Debate

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Morning all ...

Ashdown ... none of the released players were called by McD because he had no say in the retained list, which was put together by Cellino and Carbone ... the "Muffia" clearly felt a letter was adequate enough to inform the players, agree with Ashdown that it shows a lack of respect

Ross ... he will be sold, and expect Cellino to accept £5m to £6m for him ... £8m is simply a starting price for negotations, Ross is now firmly in the shop window and won't be kicking a ball for Leeds again ... don't hold your breath, the money won't go back into the team, Cellino has clearly set the expectation that he has far too much debt that needs clearing this year

McD ... it is clear he is finished at Leeds, he is being totally blanked by Cellino and simply can't remain ... if McD stays he will be nothing more than a coach, and he'll have no decision making power, so he'll be the highest paid coach in the Championship ... I expect that McD's departure will be acrimonious, Cellino will be sued for a couple of million, and we will be paying a lot of money out thanks to our owner behaving like a prat instead of seeking an amicable solution ... McD's contract surely must state his responsibilities and job requirements, and Cellino is clearly going against this as he tries to frustrate McD into rage-quitting

Cellino ... I am really starting to dislike this man and the way he goes about his "business", he is starting to behave like a thug ... even more worrying is the fact that he has a strategy of asset stripping to remain self sufficient, so he won't be putting any money in to grow the club and push us forward ... key example: we will be using the Academy to deliver quality talent (Cellino quoted the class of '97 as an example of players to produce) that we can then sell for big money, and according to Massivo we need to be selling one to two Academy players every year ... here we go, the next Paul Robinson, James Milner, Jonny Howson, Fabian Delph, Scott Carson, Alan Smith, Harry Kewell, Ian Harte, Gary Kelly, Jon Woodgate, Stephen McPhail, all will be sold ... step up Charlie Taylor, have a good run and we'll be waving you goodbye in January

Cagliari ... the money from the sale NOT coming to Leeds, end of


"For the sake of Leeds United he would break himself in two"

I liked the idea of concentrating on the youth at up, but when I read we'd be selling one or two a year once they're established in the first team that really pissed me off.

Nurture them and keep hold of them, don't turn us into a glorified Crewe Alexandra
 
I liked the idea of concentrating on the youth at up, but when I read we'd be selling one or two a year once they're established in the first team that really pissed me off.

Nurture them and keep hold of them, don't turn us into a glorified Crewe Alexandra

Morning Essex..............<ok>

TBF Crewe is run well.
 
Fair points made Eire, I agree with you...<ok> Just wondering how much is being saved a month with the release of the 13 players? Even if the average was 5 grand a player, that's 260000 a month, that must help.

Would help, but some or all of those players will need replacing so the savings mightn't be that great when new wages are taken in to account
 
Morning all <ok>

There's no excuse for Ashdown not being offered the courtesy of a phone call in my eyes. Poor form from Leeds there.

As for the whole Ross £8m. IF that money was to be reinvested then I'd jump at it. I don't think Ross is worth £8m as much as I'm not convinced he will repeat his form this season. You also get the impression from time to time that he thinks he's bigger than the club, some of his tweets recently show a massive chip on his shoulder. Completely agree with Doha that you shouldn't have to give a player the armband to keep him at a club either.

All of that being said, if there is no chance of a full reinvestment we absolutely shouldn't sell him. Don't sell fridge to buy beers and all of that.
 
Morning Shaks,

Yes they are but their crowds are 10% of ours, so we shouldn't need to sell our home grown players

I agree Essex........but unfortunately if a poncy rich prem club comes in with a silly offer at the moment we'd more or less take it. Regarding Ross, if he goes he goes, I don't want him to go, but sometimes the grass isn't always greener, just ask the Leeds reserves in Norfolk........:D
 
Morning all

I am utterly fed up with all the speculation and its not even June!
Cellinos son is really fecking me off with the nonesense and grandstanding on twitter. This is made worse by the fan bois begging him to keep spouting tosh. He is showing the club in a far worse light than Ashdowns situation!
 
Morning all

I am utterly fed up with all the speculation and its not even June!
Cellinos son is really fecking me off with the nonesense and grandstanding on twitter. This is made worse by the fan bois begging him to keep spouting tosh. He is showing the club in a far worse light than Ashdowns situation!

Morning ........I don't bother with that twatter bollox. Unfortunately until something concrete happens, speculation is all we have.
 
Morning ........I don't bother with that twatter bollox. Unfortunately until something concrete happens, speculation is all we have.

You're spot on. I follow it but very much with a pinch of salt. The odd useful bit of stuff on it from reporters like Pope and Hay and the like but mostly buried in a load of ****e posted by people who like to pretend to be in the know. Waccoe isn't much better. You know whats funny though, Cellino will do as he likes, he owns the club and doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks so not worth losing sleep over
 
You're spot on. I follow it but very much with a pinch of salt. The odd useful bit of stuff on it from reporters like Pope and Hay and the like but mostly buried in a load of ****e posted by people who like to pretend to be in the know. Waccoe isn't much better. You know whats funny though, Cellino will do as he likes, he owns the club and doesn't give a toss what anyone thinks so not worth losing sleep over

Would love it if he bought the remainder of the shares and got GFH out of the club altogether...<ok>
 
I'd like to keep Ross ideally, but if he wants to go/we get an absurd offer for his services, I hope he goes early on in the transfer window and gives us enough time to line up replacements and improve the squad with the money.

There's plenty of good players (and young ones at that) who are out of contract this year, who will probably be asking for relatively low wages in comparison to the players we just released, so I really hope we act quickly for once rather than waiting for all the quality to go and being left with the dross <doh>
 
Morning all

I am utterly fed up with all the speculation and its not even June!
Cellinos son is really fecking me off with the nonesense and grandstanding on twitter. This is made worse by the fan bois begging him to keep spouting tosh. He is showing the club in a far worse light than Ashdowns situation!

Well you better get used to his nonsense as he is one of your highly paid directors now (according to Companies House) - suprised Patel is still on it <ok>
 
we will be using the Academy to deliver quality talent (Cellino quoted the class of '97 as an example of players to produce) that we can then sell for big money

Not what he says in his last interview, he plans to develop players now and keep them as the club grows. Says he couldnt do that in Italy as he couldn't grow the club and the players became to good for a lower table team. Despite his faults he sounds like he wants to get us back to the top.
 
Not what he says in his last interview, he plans to develop players now and keep them as the club grows. Says he couldnt do that in Italy as he couldn't grow the club and the players became to good for a lower table team. Despite his faults he sounds like he wants to get us back to the top.
Correct LiY. This is what he had to say
"Leeds owner Massimo Cellino hopes to be able to grow the club with shrewd dealings in the transfer market.

Cellino comes to England with a good record of buying players as chairman of Serie A side Cagliari, but he claims he was unable to build the Sardinian club as he was always being forced to sell once they had been developed.

He is hopeful that will not be the case at Elland Road, where the Italian has the ultimate aim of making it to the Premier League.

"I came here with a big dream, to find if I am good at running a club," Cellino told Sky Sports.

"I ran Cagliari for 23 years but it is a small club and they didn't let me grow.

"I spent the last 23 years buying beautiful players for £1m. I saw them grow and then they have to leave. Every time you have to start again because the club doesn't grow like the players.


"This club has to stop wasting money and stop looking for money from other people. It needs to pay for itself."
Massimo Cellino
"If I can do the same thing here at Leeds, the club can grow like the player, so we don't have to sell - we can keep them."
 
In regards to Ashdown and all the others released - Surely it was just a formality? If any of them were going to be offered a new contract the club wouldn't wait until their current deal had expired, did they honestly believe that they were going to be offered new ones?? It doesn't work that way, you talk about new contracts with them and their agents in advance, feel Ashdown is making a meal of it all if I am honest.

If you signed a 3 year contract with your place of employment and there was nothing talked about towards the end of it wouldn't you assume you were going to be unemployed at the end of it, wouldn't you ask questions yourself, did Ashdown not say to those in charge do you need me next season, am I going to be given a new contract???? Common sense tells you at the end of your contract if you haven't agreed a new one you are unemployed and free to go on your way.
 
Agree with what you're saying Ristac, but I still think it's common courtesy to give them a call. It takes all of two minutes and it just seems a tad unprofessional.
 
ristac - yes. I've always been on fixed term contracts or "indefinite" contracts with fixed end dates but the expectation they would be renewed. I would always assume that I was out of a job if I hadn't been either presented with a new contract or told one was on the way within three months of the current end date.

To be honest, I sometimes get termination letters from HR when they're ****ing about with legal stuff rather than getting a new contract out to me. I always ignore these letters. If I've been told I'm getting a new contract I don't worry. If I haven't been told months ahead of time (this has never happened yet) I think I'd know the writing was on the wall.

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