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cini65 said:
Aside from your post being based entirely on a subjective analysis that can never be proven... Let's just take it as true for a minute. So I don't get it then... How are Barcelona still very good even though they got rid of Guardiola and Vilanova? Why are they not languishing in mid table? Or Real when they got rid of Mourinho?

Or could it be that, actually, there are more managers out there that can do well than just Wenger??

Why didn't Chelsea fall into mid table mediocrity when they sacked their umpteen managers in a row??

Why didn't city fall into mid table mediocrity when they sacked Mancini??


Unless the truth is that AW really IS a genius and the players of Arsenal are actually rubbish and utterly overachieving finishing 4th every year. But then it that case, with money at his disposal, the buck stops with AW and he should be outed for having a poor squad with money to spare.

There are hundreds examples of managers changing clubs and the clubs doing fine afterwards with no dip. There is one example of it failing with Moyes. Yet you insist that Moyes is the trend.
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Honestly, I am beginning to think that you don't have the mental capacity to participate in a forum. I'm not saying anything remotely offensive or out of the ordinary, and yet every time I make a post we get some strawman or ad hominum attack on what I am posting, very often completely unrelated to my post.

This post isn't even worthy of a rebuttal.
 
ToledoTrumpton said:
Honestly, I am beginning to think that you don't have the mental capacity to participate in a forum. I'm not saying anything remotely offensive or out of the ordinary, and yet every time I make a post we get some strawman or ad hominum attack on what I am posting, very often completely unrelated to my post.

This post isn't even worthy of a rebuttal.
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Hypocrite
 
And... Just so we clear and the mods can read this... In your opinion calling people 'special needs' is not meant to be offensive?
 
TT - remember that old saying about being dragged down to the level of a moron and then beaten by their experience? They are doing it to you. Your replies only give oxygen to their trolling, so best if you just ignore the twats.
 
Old_Faithfull said:
TT - remember that old saying about being dragged down to the level of a moron and then beaten by their experience? They are doing it to you. Your replies only give oxygen to their trolling, so best if you just ignore the t**ts.
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Your advice is good and sound, and I apologize.
 
Old_Faithfull said:
TT - remember that old saying about being dragged down to the level of a moron and then beaten by their experience? They are doing it to you. Your replies only give oxygen to their trolling, so best if you just ignore the twats.
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That would work equally if said to the people replying to TT.
 
cini65 said:
Stop comparing Wenger to SAF. They're light years apart. In the last 9 years Wenger has won as much at Arsenal as Moyes did at Everton... and he was a piece of pi55 to replace.
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If that's what you think, then presumably you'd be happy for Moyes to replace Wenger ?
 
PISKIE said:
If that's what you think, then presumably you'd be happy for Moyes to replace Wenger ?
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Moyes is a battler. He's like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson. Can get slightly smaller clubs winning some games... Give him some class players and he doesn't know what to so with them. Hence Moyes at United, Allardyce at Newcastle, Pulis at Stoke, Hodgson at Liverpool.

Tactical dinosaurs who don't know what to do beyond battling.
 
I want to make one comment on the personal attacks. Please knock it off. We're all Arsenal fans here, we might not agree with each other but some of the posts aimed at TT recently have been deliberately incendiary and they are unnecessary. Yes he might bite back but it always ends up with a few negative fans trying to ridicule him and that is completely out of order.

The mods on here fortunately don't have to delete much because we want to allow people to have their say and we respect that privilege. But I will delete any more of this stuff, this topic is not up for debate and I'm calling the shots on this issue.
 
cini65 said:
Moyes is a battler. He's like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson. Can get slightly smaller clubs winning some games... Give him some class players and he doesn't know what to so with them. Hence Moyes at United, Allardyce at Newcastle, Pulis at Stoke, Hodgson at Liverpool.

Tactical dinosaurs who don't know what to do beyond battling.
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So why then make the comparison that Wenger is more akin to Moyes and Everton than SAF and United ?

I agree that manger's like Moyes are battler types, like Fat Sam, Pulis, Bruce etc. They don't have what it takes to manage top quality clubs and the rigors of the champions league football and pushing for a title challenge.

This is why Arsenal need to ensure that when Wenger's time is up they get his replacement right. I'm all for somebody like Klopp or Simeone, but it's not going to happen this summer.
 
PISKIE said:
So why then make the comparison that Wenger is more akin to Moyes and Everton than SAF and United ?

I agree that manger's like Moyes are battler types, like Fat Sam, Pulis, Bruce etc. They don't have what it takes to manage top quality clubs and the rigors of the champions league football and pushing for a title challenge.

This is why Arsenal need to ensure that when Wenger's time is up they get his replacement right. I'm all for somebody like Klopp or Simeone, but it's not going to happen this summer.
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Because Wenger is unlike Moyes, it doesn't mean he's like SAF. It's not like you're either a Moyes or a SAF. I'd say Wenger is as far ahead of Moyes as SAF was of Wenger.

Wenger is nowhere near SAFs level. Just like Moyes is nowhere near Wenger's. But the lack of trophies is a big dent in AW's career.
 
cini65 said:
Because Wenger is unlike Moyes, it doesn't mean he's like SAF. It's not like you're either a Moyes or a SAF. I'd say Wenger is as far ahead of Moyes as SAF was of Wenger.

Wenger is nowhere near SAFs level. Just like Moyes is nowhere near Wenger's. But the lack of trophies is a big dent in AW's career.
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I'd say Wenger is much closer to SAF than he is Moyes, by a long way. The lack of trophies is a dent in his career and he's made mistakes, but overall in those trophyless years he's still done a decent job of keeping Arsenal in the CL whilst we built a new stadium, managed the break up of the invincibles, lost our best players every year, dealt with the billion quid thrown at City and Chelsea each, had a major shake up of ownership and the board. The only consistent thing at Arsenal in the last eight years has been Wenger.
 
So pundit wisdom is that Giggs will get a performance out of the players this week-end. I'm not convinced. It really isn't important but I just wonder if that isn't a little too simplistic.

if the players couldn't be arsed to turn up for Moyes when their United future depended on it, I'm not sure why they would turn up for Giggs, when presumably nothing much is going to be gained or lost, with the future long term manager in these last few games.
 
ToledoTrumpton said:
So pundit wisdom is that Giggs will get a performance out of the players this week-end. I'm not convinced. It really isn't important but I just wonder if that isn't a little too simplistic.

if the players couldn't be arsed to turn up for Moyes when their United future depended on it, I'm not sure why they would turn up for Giggs, when presumably nothing much is going to be gained or lost, with the future long term manager in these last few games.
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I would agree entirely , a lot of them players i suspect would see themselves as superior to Giggs , they MAY have accepted the "wisdom " or otherwise of Fergie /Moyes , but Giggs ?......who the fuck will put their ego to one side and listen to him . ?

Rooney , Van Judas ?

But its just till the end of the season aint it ?

They are out of everything so its a hiding to nothing.

What would be hilarious is if he strings together a few wins and they let him have a crack for a whole season ..a Timmy Sherwood...syndrome.

Please god.
 
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