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Burnley had the 4th lowest budget in the Championship this season. Lower than ours. Higher than Doncaster, Barnsley & Yeovil. Well below Millwall's, with the Berylson money)

Dyche signed Heaton, Jones & Arfield in summer 2013....

Powell signed Sordell, Church & Gower in summer 2013

<cheers>
 
VolauVent Addick said:
Under Powell we had 6 league wins all season, and the worst number of league goals (24) in ALL FOUR DIVISIONS <cheers>
The only "set of circumstances" relevant to that were that we had a manager who was useless this season.
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Straw Man arguement - we were talking about physically going bottom not the preceeding circumstances that put us in a position where we could have gone bottom.

We went bottom because of the 'perfect storm' of all the surrounding teams winning when we weren't playing.

No one denies that had we only had six wins and that put us in a position where we 'could' be bottom.

Had we played and lost then Powell would have put us on the bottom.

We didn't and he didn't - semantics perhaps but try taking an unblinkered view of the facts for once.
 
HRH said:
Straw Man arguement - we were talking about physically going bottom not the preceeding circumstances that put us in a position where we could have gone bottom.

We went bottom because of the 'perfect storm' of all the surrounding teams winning when we weren't playing.

No one denies that had we only had six wins and that put us in a position where we 'could' be bottom.

Had we played and lost then Powell would have put us on the bottom.

We didn't and he didn't - semantics perhaps but try taking an unblinkered view of the facts for once.
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You are clearly a CP devotee <smooch> & fair play to you - you are defending the indefensible. Lets just say that the trajectory under CP was heading in one direction. IMO he would have been sacked after the first Doncaster game when we went 3-0 down at home to the Mighty Donny after only 18 mins <whistle>..sadly a puddle got in the way & saved him.
 
VolauVent Addick said:
What has that got to do with it ?

#graspingatstraws.

Were you at Leicester & Sheff Utd for his last two games ?
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well, if we had won (some of) them and had played the same amount as everyone else, the stat wouldnt look so bad.

you're presenting the facts in the same way george weahs cousin got a contract at southampton - i.e. not stating all of them.
 
Chris was totally and utterly out of his depth this season.

His transfers, tactics and substitutions were mind-boggling and he did little to inspire the players and the fans.

His comments regarding the Sheffield United debacle were a disgrace, and I still feel cheated about losing out on a trip to Wembley.

He faced many difficulties this season, granted, but I'm pretty sure the likes of Sean Dyche could have done better with our current squad.

It is no crime to have wanted CP out, but it would be churlish to write him off as a decent manager. I think he will learn from his mistakes and go on to good things.
 
VolauVent Addick said:
Burnley had the 4th lowest budget in the Championship this season. Lower than ours. Higher than Doncaster, Barnsley & Yeovil. Well below Millwall's, with the Berylson money)

Dyche signed Heaton, Jones & Arfield in summer 2013....

Powell signed Sordell, Church & Gower in summer 2013

<cheers>
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Kightly on loan too. He also had a squad with Championship and Premiership experience at his disposal. Clutching at straws here, Nick.

Burnley do not have a smaller budget than Charlton.
 
VolauVent Addick said:
You are clearly a CP devotee <smooch> & fair play to you - you are defending the indefensible. Lets just say that the trajectory under CP was heading in one direction. IMO he would have been sacked after the first Doncaster game when we went 3-0 down at home to the Mighty Donny after only 18 mins <whistle>..sadly a puddle got in the way & saved him.
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Wrong - I am not a CP devotee. His football was $hite even allowing for the paucity of his resources.

His first person referrals i.e. 'my' players, 'my' fans really grated with me. They are our players and our fans.

On the positive side I think he is an incredibly honest, caring guy who has done a lot of unsung good works such as training the guys in HMP Belmarsh. He genuinely cared for the well-being of the players under his managership at Charlton.

However I don't think he - or any other human being - deserved the dogs abuse you and your accolytes on ITTV gave him. Shame they can't articulate as well as you without resorting to the c-word and the f-word.

So there you have it, I take a balanced view of eveything - useful for sitting on the fence.
 
Most of the interview was pretty bland, and didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, which I suppose is what you'd expect from a manager who wants to get back into management. The one strange thing has been pointed out already by SuperC is that CP didn't ask Roland about his long-term plans. Considering that CP had already made it very clear that he was looking forward to the take-over being completed "so that the club could move forward" as he said at the time, it must have been disappointing to say the least to discover that he had a new employer who was uncommunicative and his own position was suddenly insecure.
Another interesting point is that at the beginning of the season he told MS&TJ that if they didn't invest in the squad they were looking at the bottom 6. It sounded to me as though he said this to justify the teams poor performance, but to me it proves that if he didn't think he could succeed under the conditions he should have handed over to someone who did believe they could. I think Franco picked up on this quite early in the season.
 
HRH said:
Wrong - I am not a CP devotee. His football was $hite even allowing for the paucity of his resources.

His first person referrals i.e. 'my' players, 'my' fans really grated with me. They are our players and our fans.

On the positive side I think he is an incredibly honest, caring guy who has done a lot of unsung good works such as training the guys in HMP Belmarsh. He genuinely cared for the well-being of the players under his managership at Charlton.

However I don't think he - or any other human being - deserved the dogs abuse you and your accolytes on ITTV gave him. Shame they can't articulate as well as you without resorting to the c-word and the f-word.

So there you have it, I take a balanced view of eveything - useful for sitting on the fence.
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We agree on more than I thought, although old Vol does not post on ITTV <whistle>
 
I don't think you even need to have been pro-Powell to have thought this debate was tedious all season long. Now that he's gone, it's extremely so. MikeT would be criticised for starting a thread on the other side of this discussion, so same applies here.

RE: Burnley budget. I feel that there is a selective statistic being used to artificially inflate their achievements (and probably to temper any expectations of big spending next season). Possibly transfer budget or sign-on or agents' fees budget or something like that. I also think that whatever it is, the comparative Charlton value will be lower. If we're going to persist with this, then I'd like to know what the budgets were for the 2013-14 season for all clubs named in the budget comparison (Charlton, Burnley, Yeovil, Millwall, and Barnsley).

I do accept that Burnley and Dyche have done an excellent job and were full value for both 3-0 wins this season. No doubt about it that Dyche has done a better job this season than Powell. I also accept that from the outside and without figures, Burnley seem to be a well-run club, neither the overspending of QPR nor the extravagant bonuses of Blackpool from their time in the top tier.

FHB, understand what you're saying. I think a manager who thought he could do much better than bottom six this season would likely be a Dowie/Pardew type. I understand that as things stand, we're outside the bottom six right now, but I'm not sure why people expected to finish much higher than 20th this season (which was my prediction).
 
IA said:
I don't think you even need to have been pro-Powell to have thought this debate was tedious all season long. Now that he's gone, it's extremely so. MikeT would be criticised for starting a thread on the other side of this discussion, so same applies here.





FHB, understand what you're saying. I think a manager who thought he could do much better than bottom six this season would likely be a Dowie/Pardew type.
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There is that risk, but there's also a risk when the manager believes he can't succeed.
 
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