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[BBFs Unpopular View]

Here astro, contents of the hacked emails from the IPCC people.
Just read the **** they cooked up. Even go as far as discuss disposing of a professor because he disagreed.

Also 31,000 phd level or above scientists in the US alone dissent on man made global warming.
[video=youtube;Cu_ok37HDuE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cu_ok37HDuE[/video]

Also if global temp is going down for 20 years and CO2 over 400ppm how is CO2 causing global warming?

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[BBFs Unpopular View]

Because it has nothing to do with LFC or football and there is already another OT thread full of scientific misinformation

I wanted to start the topic, if no one was interested, no one posts, it disappears. Instead you feel the need to 1 talk ****e, and 2 have us know how you feel about a thread you don't want to post on..

Since when did you turn into a whinging ****, or did I just miss the fact you were one all along?

 

[astro]

Here astro, contents of the hacked emails from the IPCC people.
Just read the **** they cooked up. Even go as far as discuss disposing of a professor because he disagreed.

Also 31,000 phd level or above scientists in the US alone dissent on man made global warming.
[video=youtube;Cu_ok37HDuE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cu_ok37HDuE[/video]

Also if global temp is going down for 20 years and CO2 over 400ppm how is CO2 causing global warming?

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31,000 signed a petition that said the man-made climate change would not be CATASTROPHIC and so objected to economic and political policies

Keep posting lies though

 

[Livtor]

Sisu's general point on these threads is an extreme of "Science is often half-baked majority consensus/propaganda". On many instances this could be the case, as most science is based empirical data and that gathering can be faulty.

However, you'll have to allow for the tides of time and further research to parse the good from the bad. Eventually, we will get there. It may be that we will be dead by then. Patience.

As regards global warming, is it nice, Sisu, to flirt with levels of carbon dioxide and other gases in concentrations multiples of what our atmosphere has been used to in the past millennia? You want humanity to take the risk? Is this your message?

Do you also advocate that smoking does not cause adverse health effects in general, because a chain-smoking woman lived to be 100 years old?

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

31,000 signed a petition that said the man-made climate change would not be CATASTROPHIC and so objected to economic and political policies

Keep posting lies though

So the objection to economic policies was the cause of the dissent? For each and every scientist? We can assume it but is that it? I am trying to stick to what we can see, hence the video and all of the information can be checked. But I accept the point that it is a possibility, though I don't get why you talk about lies. I am not into playing a game with some nutcase who can't discuss stuff and gets their knickers in a twist because someone broaches the subject, next you'll be like the other loonies calling for climate change deniers to be imprisoned.

I must point out that you refer to this yet ignore the fact the IPCC conspired to cook the data, exclude dissent from scientists, exclude scientific publishers and discuss "ousting" a professor who didn't agree with their data, <this is what you call a "conspiracy" as they most certainly conspired to present false data and false views.

You ignored the temp CO2 data, several degrees hotter in the past yet less CO2

Are you saying the planet hasn't stopped warming for nearly 2 decades? That'sa fact lad, so are all the temp models, they predicted much higher temp, they were all WRONG.. but lets not get let facts get in the way of a billion$ industry lie, never mind the IPCC is run by people with activist backgrounds, green peace and the like.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Sisu's general point on these threads is an extreme of "Science is often half-baked majority consensus/propaganda". On many instances this could be the case, as most science is based empirical data and that gathering can be faulty.

However, you'll have to allow for the tides of time and further research to parse the good from the bad. Eventually, we will get there. It may be that we will be dead by then. Patience.

As regards global warming, is it nice, Sisu, to flirt with levels of carbon dioxide and other gases in concentrations multiples of what our atmosphere has been used to in the past millennia? You want humanity to take the risk? Is this your message?

Do you also advocate that smoking does not cause adverse health effects in general, because a chain-smoking woman lived to be 100 years old?

If you actually watched the presentation it presents data from NASA and other groups, all of it verifiable. Astro seems to have sand in his vag. If he had said I disagree based on this data or that paper ect, that's fine, he starts bitching instead.

He likes to attack straw men does Astro

 

[Livtor]

If you actually watched the presentation it presents data from NASA and other groups, all of it verifiable. Astro seems to have sand in his vag. If he had said I disagree based on this data or that paper ect, that's fine, he starts bitching instead.

He likes to attack straw men does Astro

I watched the presentation, now you answer my questions please.



Is it nice to flirt with levels of carbon dioxide and other gases in concentrations multiples of what our atmosphere has been used to in the past millennia?

You want humanity to take the risk?

Is this your message?

Do you also advocate that smoking does not cause adverse health effects in general, because a chain-smoking woman lived to be 100 years old?

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I should have started a racism thread instead Would have been less aggro.

Thread Closed.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I watched the presentation, now you answer my questions please.

Is it nice to flirt with levels of carbon dioxide and other gases in concentrations multiples of what our atmosphere has been used to in the past millennia?

You want humanity to take the risk?

Is this your message?

Do you also advocate that smoking does not cause adverse health effects in general, because a chain-smoking woman lived to be 100 years old?

No of course we do not want to take risks, the presentation points out at the very beginning and he is quite emphatic on it, we ARE poisoning the planet, pollution in air water soil fauna and flora. China only recently said 20% of soil is contaminated.

Also increased CO2 causes water to go acidic, this I know I use CO2 in my aquariums to lower pH for certain species of fish. Acid level rising in the ocean bad bad bad although we've already fished it to 90% extinction, along with all the food chains those fish supported.

This is not saying the CO2 OK, surely anyone can see it is not. We do need to stop emissions not pretend to reduce them as is the current pathetic sham. Look at the air in china If they continue China will be a toxic pit in 50 or less years, totally polluted, water air soil

The real problem being back seated by global warming is pollution in all manners. While we talk carbon tax we cut down more CO2 scrubbing forests, wipe out the CO2 bicarbonate eating sea microbes destroy rivers ect ect. Burn fossil fuels and spill billions of gallons of oil into the sea. We don't hear much about terrestrial runoff either, and that is also poisoning the oceans.

What's the benefit of leveling off carbon, which is not happening, if everything is poisoned by other toxic chemicals?

The carbon tax things is a joke, polluting nations just buy carbon allowances from other nations that won't use their up. WTF is that about.

The most annoying thing, the red standby light on the TV over night is being blamed.

 

[astro]

So the objection to economic policies was the cause of the dissent? For each and every scientist? We can assume it but is that it? I am trying to stick to what we can see, hence the video and all of the information can be checked.

Yes things can be checked and immediately found to be BS.

You say "31000 scientists dissent on man made global warming". Well actually the petition is about the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and doesn't have anything to do with dissenting.

You say "in the US alone" as if this is the minimum number. It was about the US adopting Kyoto policies so actually no one else disagreed.

That's before you even consider the list itself is unverified, full of fake names, and in the 16 years that have passed many real people who did sign it now disagree.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Yes things can be checked and immediately found to be BS.

You say "31000 scientists dissent on man made global warming". Well actually the petition is about the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and doesn't have anything to do with dissenting.

You say "in the US alone" as if this is the minimum number. It was about the US adopting Kyoto policies so actually no one else disagreed.

That's before you even consider the list itself is unverified, full of fake names, and in the 16 years that have passed many real people who did sign it now disagree.

Good points. I agree, and I didn't look further into it. But you are ignoring the other points though. Namely IPCC caught with their ****ing pants down, you are ignoring the data. This is not about "lets not give a **** and poison the kip" it's about a different more accurate picture taken from the same data the climatologists use, except the climate guys ignore the sun, that's very unscientific or rather it's intentional. The sun affects the climate of every planet, that's been observed. The argument is that the sun drives the climate not that "we are not trashing the planet".

 

[Livtor]

No of course we do not want to take risks, the presentation points out at the very beginning and he is quite emphatic on it, we ARE poisoning the planet, pollution in air water soil fauna and flora. China only recently said 20% of soil is contaminated.

Also increased CO2 causes water to go acidic, this I know I use CO2 in my aquariums to lower pH for certain species of fish. Acid level rising in the ocean bad bad bad although we've already fished it to 90% extinction, along with all the food chains those fish supported.

This is not saying the CO2 OK, surely anyone can see it is not. We do need to stop emissions not pretend to reduce them as is the current pathetic sham. Look at the air in china If they continue China will be a toxic pit in 50 or less years, totally polluted, water air soil

The real problem being back seated by global warming is pollution in all manners. While we talk carbon tax we cut down more CO2 scrubbing forests, wipe out the CO2 bicarbonate eating sea microbes destroy rivers ect ect. Burn fossil fuels and spill billions of gallons of oil into the sea. We don't hear much about terrestrial runoff either, and that is also poisoning the oceans.

What's the benefit of leveling off carbon, which is not happening, if everything is poisoned by other toxic chemicals?

The carbon tax things is a joke, polluting nations just buy carbon allowances from other nations that won't use their up. WTF is that about.

The most annoying thing, the red standby light on the TV over night is being blamed.

Agree, sensible points. Why do you then go berserk if the same scientists that ring the alarm bells for elevated CO2 and other pollutions that you seem to believe in, find a link between greenhouse gases and greenhouse effects?

Your bile causes more clamour than your brain wants too

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Agree, sensible points. Why do you then go berserk if the same scientists that ring the alarm bells for elevated CO2 and other pollutions that you seem to believe in, find a link between greenhouse gases and greenhouse effects?

Your bile causes more clamour than your brain wants too

what the **** are you talking about? Honestly I have no idea. Other than a sore arse I couldn't possibly think what else may be bothering you.

Bile? And this is here Livtor parts with reality.

All this was about was climate science being incomplete. Earth not a closed system, the reduced protection from our own magnetic shield and the sun's magnetic shield exposes the earth to more solar and galactic influence. These are scientific facts.

As for talking about what an incomplete science may or may not discover in future, when they have been caught cooking the numbers and manipulating people and data, then any findings may be called into question.

As for the reference to other pollution, this is confirmed by science, from actual proof of samples taken and not by climate scientists but by many different scientific organisations and government funded research.

Yet the main problem exists and those that scream global warming are the same people that buy all the new devices, upgrade their phones every year or so and buy all types of unessential products to fuel industries that are poisoning the planet.
Look at China, the manufacturing hub for decades, it's poisoned, in part to fuel modernisation there but also to give you all your new iphones and ipads, tablets and electronics, computers ect ect, it seems everyone forgets all the **** they buy contributes to pollution on a grand scale as well as CO2 and that's before we even talk about refuse or the human cost, it's cool though, you got your smart phone and you don't have to breathe in that **** they call air after working a for a dollar a day or less.


Again! The point is climate science in incomplete, given the actual data on the sun's activity compared global temperatures, it's shocking that this is not factored in at all

 

[Skylarker]

Holy **** - I was just going get my head frazzled by reading through the last thread. Now I'm in for a double head frazzle


Like Sisu says though, if no one is interested then the thread will just die off.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Astro not sure I agree with you on the senate minority report being to do with economics. Am sure some voices were politically motivated as is always the case.
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/in...ecord_id=2674E64F-802A-23AD-490B-BD9FAF4DCDB7

 

[Livtor]

what the f**k are you talking about? Honestly I have no idea. Other than a sore arse I couldn't possibly think what else may be bothering you.

Bile? And this is here Livtor parts with reality.

All this was about was climate science being incomplete. Earth not a closed system, the reduced protection from our own magnetic shield and the sun's magnetic shield exposes the earth to more solar and galactic influence. These are scientific facts.

As for talking about what an incomplete science may or may not discover in future, when they have been caught cooking the numbers and manipulating people and data, then any findings may be called into question.

As for the reference to other pollution, this is confirmed by science, from actual proof of samples taken and not by climate scientists but by many different scientific organisations and government funded research.

Yet the main problem exists and those that scream global warming are the same people that buy all the new devices, upgrade their phones every year or so and buy all types of unessential products to fuel industries that are poisoning the planet.
Look at China, the manufacturing hub for decades, it's poisoned, in part to fuel modernisation there but also to give you all your new iphones and ipads, tablets and electronics, computers ect ect, it seems everyone forgets all the **** they buy contributes to pollution on a grand scale as well as CO2 and that's before we even talk about refuse.


Again! The point is climate science in incomplete, given the actual data on the sun's activity compared global temperatures, it's shocking that this is not factored in at all

Well I suppose it is a compliment that you don't get my point. I thought you were a misguided soul. Now I think you might be a perverted soul. Next.

 

[astro]

There have been 8 separate committees to investigate "Climategate" and none found any evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remains unchanged.

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting the conclusion that most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.

The "controversy" certainly helps multi-billion pound companies and the politicians funded by them though.

#caseclosed

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

It's a falsehood that Hubble discovered the expansion of the universe. He didn&#8217;t, he found the apparent redshift/distance relationship, actually a redshift/luminosity relationship, which to his death he did not feel was due to an expanding universe.

SJ Crothers, with science that has as of yet been unchallenged by those atop the astrophysics world, takes apart current theories, and makes a few decent jokes whilst he's at it. I won't pretend to know everything he is talking about but for the most part it's understandable and easy enough to digest. Mathemagicians he calls them He's pretty ****ing smart this lad.


[video=youtube;nXF098w48fo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nXF098w48fo[/video]

There are 4 different types of black holes, and three different types of Big Bangs. Yet they never say which one they are talking about

Good point.

"The universe began at 0 size and infinitely hot" Hawking
"What's temperature, particles jiggling around isn't it?Don't you have to have space to have particles and don't they need space to jiggle around? But Hawking tells us it was 0 size, but he's got an infinite temperature with no space, and how fast would particles need ot be jiggling to create infinite temperature. The mind boggles y'know" Crothers

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

WMAP and Cosmic background radiation research ripped apart. Another leg swept from under Big Bang Theory.

[video=youtube;i8ijbu3bSqI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i8ijbu3bSqI[/video]

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

What a load of Higgs bosons