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this post has nothing to do with Scotland,Sutton drew 0-0 at Dorchester,backs to the wall stuff for them at times but to their credit they hung in there and kept us out,that's 4 points they have taken off us this season,still another clean sheet and 12 games unbeaten now,free coach travel put on by the club,two England team coaches and the England under 21's coaches took them down there
 
totsfan said:
this post has nothing to do with Scotland,Sutton drew 0-0 at Dorchester,backs to the wall stuff for them at times but to their credit they hung in there and kept us out,that's 4 points they have taken off us this season,still another clean sheet and 12 games unbeaten now,free coach travel put on by the club,two England team coaches and the England under 21's coaches took them down there
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Keep the updates coming on Sutton Hotspur <ok>
 
I will, they are playing away tonight v Hayes & Yeading,at Woking's Kingfield Stadium,which H&Y are sharing at the moment,while their new ground is being built
 
Boss said:
No credible evidence or argument has been put forward to make a claim it will be great but as someone who lives in Scotland I'll be voting no.

Most of the Snps paper Is waffle based around rose tinted views so as the vote comes nearer they will be pushed harder on certain issues and that will lead to yes votes dropping.
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No credible evidence? Newsnet Scotland or Wings over Scotland will provide you with buckets of evidence. Whether you like Alec Salmond or not is not important we are voting for the right to decide our own future not for the SNP or any other party. With independence Scotland in 20 years or so will be a vastly wealthier country than it is at present.
 
Spurf said:
No credible evidence? Newsnet Scotland or Wings over Scotland will provide you with buckets of evidence. Whether you like Alec Salmond or not is not important we are voting for the right to decide our own future not for the SNP or any other party. With independence Scotland in 20 years or so will be a vastly wealthier country than it is at present.
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LOL Spurf it took you long enough to bite!

Better together my friend <ok>
 
Start like Hong Kong did with China in the 90s.
Unofficial hand to hand exchange rate of HK$ = 1.1 RMB.
So Sterling = 1.1 Scotch Pound
 
Spurf said:
No credible evidence? Newsnet Scotland or Wings over Scotland will provide you with buckets of evidence. Whether you like Alec Salmond or not is not important we are voting for the right to decide our own future not for the SNP or any other party. With independence Scotland in 20 years or so will be a vastly wealthier country than it is at present.
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I have not gone into the issue anywhere far enough to comment on whether or not Scotland would be richer or poorer as an independent country. However, I can't agree that Salmond is not important. He is the figurehead of the bid for independence, driven by the SNP. Therefore his personal appeal is hugely important in garnering the popular vote, as he is the major advocate of that proposal.

Personally, I find him an impossibly smug little gnome - Far too pleased with himself. Of course, that's a personal view. How the Scottish vote sees him will also be vitally important.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I have not gone into the issue anywhere far enough to comment on whether or not Scotland would be richer or poorer as an independent country. However, I can't agree that Salmond is not important. He is the figurehead of the bid for independence, driven by the SNP. Therefore his personal appeal is hugely important in garnering the popular vote, as he is the major advocate of that proposal.

Personally, I find him an impossibly smug little gnome - Far too pleased with himself. Of course, that's a personal view. How the Scottish vote sees him will also be vitally important.
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The SNP are popular, Alex Salmond is overall popular with the Scottish people and it will be a close vote as Spurf may have a point regarding the future of independence in 20 years if the right government is in charge overtime but that's not guaranteed.

But in terms of the current vote people will largely vote on their views regarding the SNP and Salmond and the general person in Scotland still isn't sure of the actual facts regarding how independence will effect them.

The debates been running for a while now and still the SNP can't bring real facts, it's just a contest between the English and the SNP where the English government say a negative point then the SNP reply with trying to discredit that point.

The general immature behaviour and lies that come with politics in general mean I personally won't be trusting SNP to oversee independence and Scotland doesn't need independence to thrive or become stronger, that can happen if they remain part of the UK.
 
Another frustrating night for Sutton,being held 0-0,for the 2nd game in a row,again it was a backs to the wall job by the home team,who wanted a point,we are still closing in on second place as Bromley who are there at the moment,lost again,just hoping Eastleigh lose form now,think we are missing Slabber's goals as he is out with an Injury
 
totsfan said:
Another frustrating night for Sutton,being held 0-0,for the 2nd game in a row,again it was a backs to the wall job by the home team,who wanted a point,we are still closing in on second place as Bromley who are there at the moment,lost again,just hoping Eastleigh lose form now,think we are missing Slabber's goals as he is out with an Injury
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Sounds like Sutton Hotspur are a well drilled team on a great run. Teams Park the bus in fear!
 
First the YES campaign is NOT the SNP it includes people from all parties in Scotland, Labour, Liberal, Tories, Greens, Socialists plus the Scottish TUC and many prominent business men.

Current UK?
The 4th most unequal country in the world,
Amongst the lowest pensions and wages in Europe,
The highest rates in many areas of illness/ suicide.
The most regressive employment laws.
All this in one of the richest countries in the world.
Why?
Because we have one of the least democratic forms of government amongst modern democratic countries.
We have a situation where 70% of the land is owned by 3% of the people. Most of these people are in power and have been for 1000 years.

Scotland has the chance to break away and form a much fairer and more prosperous society it's also a chance to show England how it could be.

Alec Salmond is the standard bearer for independence, he is not the reason.
 
Reading Boss' post, who I assume is also Scottish, or of Scottish descent, it seems that opinion is very divided on this subject. Whatever you want to call him, Salmond is the "face" of the independence bid, therefore public perception of him is very important. If he is perceived to be trustworthy. Whether the Scottish public has faith in his vision of the future, etc. These things will all be in the mind of Mr. Scottish Joe Public when he comes to make a decision.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Reading Boss' post, who I assume is also Scottish, or of Scottish descent, it seems that opinion is very divided on this subject. Whatever you want to call him, Salmond is the "face" of the independence bid, therefore public perception of him is very important. If he is perceived to be trustworthy. Whether the Scottish public has faith in his vision of the future, etc. These things will all be in the mind of Mr. Scottish Joe Public when he comes to make a decision.
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Half Scottish, my mother is from Scotland and I have a large Scottish family and yes its divided between them while the general Scotsman who eats haggis (which I love BTW), drinks whiskey and uses scotchtape instead of selotape, will be voting because of FREEDOM!

Basically as much as Spurf has a valid point on reasons to vote (the correct ones depending on how you view the progression under Snp to the future of Scotland), the large majority are voting without them reasons in mind and that's why you're also right about the public view of the Snp and Salmond, as Spurf may not agree, but the large majority will be voting on their view/trust in Snp/Salmond.

Personally, I believe Scotland can grow staying as part of the UK so much of what the yes campaign say are exaggerated to try and win votes.
 
Boss said:
Half Scottish, my mother is from Scotland and I have a large Scottish family and yes its divided between them while the general Scotsman who eats haggis (which I love BTW), drinks whiskey and uses scotchtape instead of selotape, will be voting because of FREEDOM!

Basically as much as Spurf has a valid point on reasons to vote (the correct ones depending on how you view the progression under Snp to the future of Scotland), the large majority are voting without them reasons in mind and that's why you're also right about the public view of the Snp and Salmond, as Spurf may not agree, but the large majority will be voting on their view/trust in Snp/Salmond.

Personally, I believe Scotland can grow staying as part of the UK so much of what the yes campaign say are exaggerated to try and win votes.
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Boss it's not to do with the SNP, elections would follow an independence vote. The future of Scotland would then be decided by the voters of Scotland which is the whole point of the exercise.

There is also no reason to expect that Scotland would be treated any different from the way it has been in the past. Glasgow has areas where life expectancy is around 52 that is less than the Gazza Strip. There is much for the City Council mafia to be ashamed of and little hope when they are propped up by Westminster.

Tell me what you think is exaggerated.
 
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