Scotch Independence - the countdown

Fair enough.

I was a No vote until the last couple of years. I always thought Independence was a bit pointless but the fact that Devolution has only really created more bureaucracy and that we've got a shockingly inept government, which most of Scotland didn't vote for, in Westminster has changed my mind.

 

I think the staus quo has worked out pretty well in the recent past, the last SNP administration did a sterling job all things considered and for all the moaning about Tory cuts, they were left in a **** of a position by Blair and Brown who proceeded over the growth bubble and squandered the tax bounty to bribe the electorate to re-elect them based on getting more of their tax back instead of just cutting taxes as the Con-Libs have done.

I don't see the point in Independence from London to give sovereignty over to the EU. I don't see the point in losing our voice as part of the UK when bartering in European circles, to try and reapply as little ol' Scotland. It just doesn't make sense.

Likewise though, I see HS2 as being a further investment in England's infrastructure where we've been left out, I cast admiring eyes down at London and the SE growth, and wonder why we can't get that up here.

I'm undecided, but when we've got a lunatic fringe well represented up here, I worry for an Independent Scotland.

 

A lunatic fringe?

Aye, only in Scotland eh?

Meanwhile, half the Tories want to pull out of Europe and the opinion polls have them neck and neck with Labour for the next Westminster election. Let's look forward to a Tory/UKip coalition made up of bampots like Farage and Michael Fabricant.

 

If it helps anyone make up their mind I `d be willing to return to an independent Scotland and lead my people from the wilderness.

 

I have faith in the British electorate and people to do the right thing. The British people as a collective have often rejected many forms of extremism, from Cromwell, to Molsley, to Communism and Socialism. I'm unsure that the Scots have the same vigour and conviction. It's no secret that most Scots are bigoted alcoholic drug addicts.

 

It's no secret that most Scots are bigoted alcoholic drug addicts.

A tad harsh you're not all bigots.

 

The current cabinet in Wesminster is riddled with ****s who have little to no perception of how the average person lives.

There is no benevolence forthcoming from then and have continually acted in a way to preserve the status quo for their corporate pals.

All you need to know about the Tories is that Boris might be their next leader.

 

That's what I think would be the best outcome. Greater autonomy but under the umbrella of the Union which give the Jock's the best of both worlds and if we make a **** of it, ask Nige for a leg-up.

 

Get off the the Guinness, MickO

 

Need a curer,stonking headache!

 

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Is this the same British electorate that returned a terrible Tory government because they won a war against a bankrupt nation ?

The English electorate will vote for who the Sun tells them to vote for . Just like they normally do .

 

I don't see the problem with that. More people are volunteering to help the poor and donate their own food and time. What's the difference between the Red Cross helping out people or giving them other peoples money so they can buy food/***s/bevvy for themselves?

 

What was the alternative? Vote in the shambolic Labour party who oversaw Red Britain's 3 day week, mass strikes and the Unions calling the shots? Not helped by Tony Benn's desire to split the party might I add.

 

Ahem...

 

Thatchers government were the mist unpopular government since the war . Ironic then that it took another war to get them re-elected .

 

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Fucked up. Now trying the old "I was fishing" angle.

 

yes but labour were lovingly for strikes and **** all getting done in Britain.

hence thatcher.

oh and **** a central belt run Scotland, no better than Westminster.

plus the arrogance and presumptions of an independent Scotland is farcical.