What a weekend for Managers.

[notsosmartspur]

Pardew...what a nutter! Its hard to know at this point how this affects his future, its done very little for any reputation he may have, or not! depending on who you speak too.

Spare a thought for Gus Poyet, ridiculed at times, but I thought he came out of the COC with real credit, got his team n tactics spot on as best he could, and only a couple of worldies undone them. He was very pragmatic and magnaminous in his interview I thought. I understood him too!

Hats off to another ridiculed manager Tony Pulis for taking the unusual step of fining his own players for their blatant dives, lets hope it sets a precedent with every other club.

Mourinho's HT teamtalk, although he claimed he said absolutely nothing, Schurrle did say it was one abusive sentence about 10 seconds long then walked out again.

...and Moyes gets a weekend off just being ridiculed!

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Pardew's antics might have ended his time at St James', depending on how the authorities react to his ridiculous behaviour.
He might find it tough to pick up another high profile Premier League appointment if he gets the sack.

Poyet did very well in the cup final, but he was up against a much better team and their quality came through in the end.
If he can keep their FA Cup run going and keep them up, then he'll have had a very good start to his Sunderland career.

I was surprised to see Pulis' reaction to his players taking a dive, but it's nice to see someone actually doing something, rather than just talking the talk.
He's pulled off an impressive turnaround in form since he went to Selhurst Park, so good luck to him.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Pardew has to have the book thrown at him, it deserves far more than the 3 game ban a player would get. Had Meyler already been booked or retaliated in kind and get himself sent off then it potentially has far more effect on the game than a manager getting sent off. Pardew's a vile twat and the sooner he's back out of the Premier League the better.

As for Pulis, it's nothing new. Lots of managers have feigned their anger at a player being booked for diving it but it's often been proven to be hollow. We'll see what Pulis does when his side win a penalty from a dive. The likes of Moyes, Rodgers and Mourinho have all made themselves look stupid by defending diving when they get the decision having previously criticised one of their players for getting booked for a dive.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Pardew has issues. As now pointed out, his team is cruising 3-1 up away, no bad mood there, the alleged push by Meyler was more a brushing past to get the ball for the throw, nothing in it. It was just pure plot loss, and not the first time for him either. Its a brave Chairman that wants him at the helm now, I think Ashley might like to sack him, but its just not the time to be unsettling his club even further.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Pardew has to have the book thrown at him, it deserves far more than the 3 game ban a player would get. Had Meyler already been booked or retaliated in kind and get himself sent off then it potentially has far more effect on the game than a manager getting sent off. Pardew's a vile twat and the sooner he's back out of the Premier League the better.

As for Pulis, it's nothing new. Lots of managers have feigned their anger at a player being booked for diving it but it's often been proven to be hollow. We'll see what Pulis does when his side win a penalty from a dive. The likes of Moyes, Rodgers and Mourinho have all made themselves look stupid by defending diving when they get the decision having previously criticised one of their players for getting booked for a dive.

Feigning anger?? I said fining his own players. Is that not new?, who else has done it?

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Feigning anger?? I said fining his own players. Is that not new?, who else has done it?

I don't know if anyone has, I was just lumping the whole thing together as a criticism of diving. As I said, I'll believe he's sincere when he sees his player dive and win a penalty and still fines and criticises him. It's all empty words and actions if he's only going to do it when his players get caught by the referee.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Its more than any other Club/manager has done to their own, not sure why you're down on the idea, even if its a small step, its one in the right direction. If you find it impossible through sheer hatred to credit Pulis with anything, thats fine...I would actually understand that!

 

[SpursDisciple]

I don't know if anyone has, I was just lumping the whole thing together as a criticism of diving. As I said, I'll believe he's sincere when he sees his player dive and win a penalty and still fines and criticises him. It's all empty words and actions if he's only going to do it when his players get caught by the referee.

Or get the player to roll the ball back to the keeper for a pen won by a dive. That would show bravery.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Can't see NUFC sacking Pardew. From what I understand, the club has (a) fined him, and (b) given him a "final" written warning. In other words, the club has already taken its disciplinary action; if it now seeks to go back to impose a new sanction (ie. by sacking him), they'll be on the wrong end of a legal hiding.

The club won't want to get rid of him whilst he's doing well with the team, but one would expect him to be on very dodgy ground, should he begin to slip up.

I would expect the FA to, at the very least, give him a touch-line ban to the end of the season.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Its more than any other Club/manager has done to their own, not sure why you're down on the idea, even if its a small step, its one in the right direction. If you find it impossible through sheer hatred to credit Pulis with anything, thats fine...I would actually understand that!

Other managers have spoken out against diving and it's turned out to be nothing more than a cheap publicity trick and they go back to defending their players diving so long as they're not booked for it. This is why I'm sceptical about any manager trying to make a statement about diving being unacceptable. Other managers have gone further too, aren't Moyes and Fergie both supposed to have dropped Young for diving?

Pulis is kind of different because his teams aren't the sort you'd usually associate with diving anyway and in that sense it's no surprise he has a particular interest in stamping out diving. I'd be more impressed if he felt the need to make similar statements when his players shirt pull, time waste and purposely go in with heavy tackles. I bet his response would be that it's part of the game or that it's up to the referees to spot the incidents, well it's the same for diving.

Pulis is a manager who selected and stuck up for Charlie Adam and Huth, he's about as against cheating as anyother manager is, it just so happens that diving is a suitable target for him. Maybe I'm cynical but I don't see Pulis' teams play and think that they're an honest bunch who've been told not to cheat.

Or get the player to roll the ball back to the keeper for a pen won by a dive. That would show bravery.

He probably wouldn't know at the time but yeah, presumably his hate for diving means he'll punish someone more strongly if they do it and it benefits the team.

 

[KingHotspur]

Can't see NUFC sacking Pardew. From what I understand, the club has (a) fined him, and (b) given him a "final" written warning. In other words, the club has already taken its disciplinary action; if it now seeks to go back to impose a new sanction (ie. by sacking him), they'll be on the wrong end of a legal hiding.

The club won't want to get rid of him whilst he's doing well with the team, but one would expect him to be on very dodgy ground, should he begin to slip up.

I would expect the FA to, at the very least, give him a touch-line ban to the end of the season.

I think he will get a stadium ban for the rest of the season tbh.

Paul Ince got a 5 game stadium ban for ranting at an 4th official and Pardew did a lot worse.

 

[Spurm]

i'm not defending Pardew at all but the pundits on MOTD wound me up. They kept saying he reacted to "absolutely no provocation" which isn't strictly true as the Hull chap ran straight at him and gave him a shove, which i assume is what he got booked for.

Still, Pardew is a silly, silly little boy

 

[bigsmithy9]

I didn't see blood on the Hull player's forehead so it must have been a glancing header!

 

[notsosmartspur]

Other managers have spoken out against diving and it's turned out to be nothing more than a cheap publicity trick and they go back to defending their players diving so long as they're not booked for it. This is why I'm sceptical about any manager trying to make a statement about diving being unacceptable. Other managers have gone further too, aren't Moyes and Fergie both supposed to have dropped Young for diving?

Pulis is kind of different because his teams aren't the sort you'd usually associate with diving anyway and in that sense it's no surprise he has a particular interest in stamping out diving. I'd be more impressed if he felt the need to make similar statements when his players shirt pull, time waste and purposely go in with heavy tackles. I bet his response would be that it's part of the game or that it's up to the referees to spot the incidents, well it's the same for diving.

Pulis is a manager who selected and stuck up for Charlie Adam and Huth, he's about as against cheating as anyother manager is, it just so happens that diving is a suitable target for him. Maybe I'm cynical but I don't see Pulis' teams play and think that they're an honest bunch who've been told not to cheat.



He probably wouldn't know at the time but yeah, presumably his hate for diving means he'll punish someone more strongly if they do it and it benefits the team.

I do agree with your sentiment YV, don't get me wrong, but you've still not commented on my main point here, fining players, it's a different ball game to just verbally condemning it, which I agree with you is just lip service. I'm also not saying its the sole answer to removing it from the game, but any action that in future makes players think twice is a good thing, no?

 

[No Kane No Gain]

I do agree with your sentiment YV, don't get me wrong, but you've still not commented on my main point here, fining players, it's a different ball game to just verbally condemning it, which I agree with you is just lip service. I'm also not saying its the sole answer to removing it from the game, but any action that in future makes players think twice is a good thing, no?

Fair enough. I like my bitter and cynical outlook though so I'm not changing my mind

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Pardew is a nasty piece or work.

Pulis is a very good manager. He has had (relative) success by galvanising teams as a unit. Everyone knows their job and does what they are asked without question. No star individuals, just a team. We know it's never pretty, but it's often effective. It's essential to that philosophy that the players know and accept that he is in charge. I think fining players for diving sends out the message that if you don't do what's expected, Pulis will remind you who's in charge.

Poyet is getting players to work hard for him, but it's evident they lack quality if not experience. They don't score enough and will leak goals against the better teams with that ageing defence. He will do very well if he keeps them up.

As obnoxious as he can be, Mourinho has the happy knack of getting performances out of players when it's needed. Schurrle has been in and out of the team, he doesn't seem to fit Chelsea's style or formation, yet he looked class in scoring a very cool hat-trick from nowhere. Chelsea could pip City for the title because Mourinho won't let them slip up now.

 

[Dier Hard]

Pardew's a prick.

Most clubs would sack him for that though I think he has a contract until 2020 doesn't he? I'm sure I read he signed an 8 year deal in 2012, or am I going mad? If that is the case, NUFC probably can't afford to sack him... yet.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Pardew is a nasty piece or work.

Pulis is a very good manager. He has had (relative) success by galvanising teams as a unit. Everyone knows their job and does what they are asked without question. No star individuals, just a team. We know it's never pretty, but it's often effective. It's essential to that philosophy that the players know and accept that he is in charge. I think fining players for diving sends out the message that if you don't do what's expected, Pulis will remind you who's in charge.

Poyet is getting players to work hard for him, but it's evident they lack quality if not experience. They don't score enough and will leak goals against the better teams with that ageing defence. He will do very well if he keeps them up.

As obnoxious as he can be, Mourinho has the happy knack of getting performances out of players when it's needed. Schurrle has been in and out of the team, he doesn't seem to fit Chelsea's style or formation, yet he looked class in scoring a very cool hat-trick from nowhere. Chelsea could pip City for the title because Mourinho won't let them slip up now.

You missed out the last manager in the OP....no opinion you'd like to share on him?

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

You missed out the last manager in the OP....no opinion you'd like to share on him?

I have done on some other threads - on rival watch too this morning!

 

[notsosmartspur]

Pardew's a prick.

Most clubs would sack him for that though I think he has a contract until 2020 doesn't he? I'm sure I read he signed an 8 year deal in 2012, or am I going mad? If that is the case, NUFC probably can't afford to sack him... yet.

That is a very good point, I'd forgotten that crazy decision by Ashley, yeah, he coined that while Cisse and Ba on a roll. Ashley won't want to afford any compo clause that may have.

I have done on some other threads - on rival watch too this morning!

....already replied!