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stilljaroldcanary

stilljaroldcanary

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I must admit I have supported CH throughout
this year but in his Ccall interview tonight
he seemed to say he gave up at half time and
was looking for damage limitation

Man the damage was already done!

To late for a manager change but

Calderwood out. Hucks in!
 
Not happy with Hughton's comments "There's no coming back from 4-1 down".

Little bit gutted he's admitted to that, too defeatist, completely uninspiring. Imagine what it would have done for the club to have a Middlesbrough esque 4-4. Yet he wasn't even prepared to give it a go. Shocking.
 
"There's no coming back from 4-1 down"

Certainly not while you're in charge Hughton. Is that why you took golden bo****ks off at half time. Accepted he had been totally crop but then so was his replacement. It also meant Redmond swapping wings where he became invisible. Well thought out move! Then we wait until it's too late and replace Redmond with fcuking Elmander but did he play up front no he played on the right.

So is it too late to ditch Hughton?

No - get rid now - we're going down anyway - so let a new man have a few games to see what we need for a promotion attempt next season.

HUGHTON OUT
 
Was all he said "there's no coming back from 4-1 down"? If it is I wouldn't read too much into that. Would of been better to replace "no" with "hard to" but still, too much of a big deal if that was all. I'd like to think he didnt say to the players the game was over at half time, but after the game saying the game is over at 4-1, is that such a stupid thing to say? Of course we want to see a never say die attitude and no game should be over until the final whistle but it sounds like too much is made of this.

Possibly be more concerned with the lack of celebration from Wes if anything at all. If he doesn't want to be there dont play him.
 
I think Wes has gone down in a lot of supporters eyes after his lack of celebration but he was causing Villa problems in the first 25 minutes.
So what does/did our most creative player and our former centre forward have in common? Neither want/wanted to play for our clown of a manager. You can probably add Becchio, Garrido, Fox, Surman and Whittaker to that list and let's not forget Butterfield.
So where is our problem??
 
tipsycanary said:
Was all he said "there's no coming back from 4-1 down"? If it is I wouldn't read too much into that. Would of been better to replace "no" with "hard to" but still, too much of a big deal if that was all. I'd like to think he didnt say to the players the game was over at half time, but after the game saying the game is over at 4-1, is that such a stupid thing to say? Of course we want to see a never say die attitude and no game should be over until the final whistle but it sounds like too much is made of this.

Possibly be more concerned with the lack of celebration from Wes if anything at all. If he doesn't want to be there dont play him.
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I fail to see how you can still think he's the guy for the job when after Villa go 3.5 games without scoring, against his NCFC 'outfit', they score four times in less than sixteen mind-numbing minutes - and then he has the gall to effectively admit we'd 'thrown in the towel at half time' in terms of expecting anything from the match.
These people who want him retained for the sake of stability are deluded. Stability like Ipswich, perhaps, in a lower league is about the extent of his remit. His team is brittle and folds like a house of cards under any sign of real adversity.

Re: Hoolahan not celebrating, wtf? He's being kept prisoner at this club under the terms of his contract and he scores against the club he'd rather be at - what did you expect, cartwheels and back-flips, ffs?

A lack of goals are becoming a familiar sight for Aston Villa this season, but the Midlands outfit are once again going through a real drought in the last few weeks.

It’s the second time Aston Villa have gone a run of three or more consecutive games without rippling the net this season and fingers are naturally being pointed towards the players in attack for Villa - most notably at Christian Benteke.
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I wonder which of the players would rather a new manager came in. I know players like redmond came here to work with hughton again as did Bassong. What would their reaction to a change be I wonder?
And are there players like maybe our strikers who quietly would like him to leave and a new man brought in.
 
At least we can now understand what is going through the mind of the average Arsenal fan, poor lad - really believes that wont finish in the top 4 - must be gut-wrenching <laugh>

[video=youtube;-XOJ7lA6fNU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XOJ7lA6fNU#t=43[/video]
 
Resurgam said:
Did they sign because they believed in him and wanted to play for him, or did they just want to sign for a PL club to use it as a stepping stone for their careers?
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Of Hughton's signings, here's what I think they probably thought (disregarding wages):
  • Becchio - opportunity of Prem football
  • Bunn - occasional Prem football, comfy seat on the bench
  • Tettey - Prem football
  • Bassong - Prem football and opportunity to put himself back in contention for his country
  • Garrido - Initially, first-team footy in the Prem
  • Turner - first-team footy in the Prem
  • Snodgrass - Prem football, possible stepping stone
  • Butterfield - Prem football, maybe a stepping stone for his career down the line
  • Whittaker - Prem football
  • Hooper - Prem football, stepping stone, and chance of international call-up if he performs
  • Fer - Prem football and stepping stone
  • Olsson - Prem football
  • Redomons - Prem football and stepping stone
  • RvW - Stepping stone

I doubt any of them (except for maybe Redmond) really thought "I want to play for Chris Hughton".
 
Bassong is on record as saying the biggest reason to come here was to work again with CH, RvW said CH was the biggest influence on his decision and Redmond has said CH is the only reason he came here!
 
canary-dave said:
Bassong is on record as saying the biggest reason to come here was to work again with CH, RvW said CH was the biggest influence on his decision and Redmond has said CH is the only reason he came here!
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Ah yes, RE. Bassong - apologies, I can believe that.

Obviously I have no real idea, but I don't believe RvW.
 
Cromercanary said:
I fail to see how you can still think he's the guy for the job when after Villa go 3.5 games without scoring, against his NCFC 'outfit', they score four times in less than sixteen mind-numbing minutes - and then he has the gall to effectively admit we'd 'thrown in the towel at half time' in terms of expecting anything from the match.
These people who want him retained for the sake of stability are deluded. Stability like Ipswich, perhaps, in a lower league is about the extent of his remit. His team is brittle and folds like a house of cards under any sign of real adversity.

Re: Hoolahan not celebrating, wtf? He's being kept prisoner at this club under the terms of his contract and he scores against the club he'd rather be at - what did you expect, cartwheels and back-flips, ffs?
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Please tell me where I said he was the man for the job? Currently I do not believe we should sack him, with so few games left it may do more harm then good. Especially as currently we are not in the bottom 3. It would be a massive gamble to bring someone in now. If we are to get rid it should be at the end of the season.

I did say that maybe rather more is being made of his comments after the match then there should be. Although I have not heard what he said in context, but it is often the case people jump on a certain phrase to try and prove a point.

The prisoner comment is just bloody stupid! A bit like Ronaldos slave comment a few years back. He signed the contract, he knew the terms and he is paid one hell of a wage to do his job, he is certainly not a prisoner.
 
tipsycanary said:
The prisoner comment is just bloody stupid! A bit like Ronaldos slave comment a few years back. He signed the contract, he knew the terms and he is paid one hell of a wage to do his job, he is certainly not a prisoner.
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No it's not. He submitted a formal transfer request in January, thereby alerting the coaching staff and board of his desire to leave the club ASAP. Fair enough the bid(s) offered by Villa were derisory, but had it been e.g Stoke or Sunderland who had wanted him, the Norwich City stance would been vastly different - purely down to the Lambert legacy.

Plus what is the point of keeping a player against their wishes, knowing that their heart is no longer fully in it. That has to be an issue in terms of motivating the remainder of the squad, because if they're not all singing from the same hymn sheet....<yikes>
 
Cromercanary said:
No it's not. He submitted a formal transfer request in January, thereby alerting the coaching staff and board of his desire to leave the club ASAP. Fair enough the bid(s) offered by Villa were derisory, but had it been e.g Stoke or Sunderland who had wanted him, the Norwich City stance would been vastly different - purely down to the Lambert legacy.

Plus what is the point of keeping a player against their wishes, knowing that their heart is no longer fully in it. That has to be an issue in terms of motivating the remainder of the squad, because if they're not all singing from the same hymn sheet....<yikes>
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I agree with the second part of your post. But saying he is a prisoner is stupid. Didn't he sign a new contract when CH was there? He is on a huge wage and Im sure he has a pretty decent life really, even if he is sulking about the football a bit. Sadly footballers often behave like spoilt idiots. Yes you could change things so players could give a months notice then leave, but the way footballers behave the number of moves would be crazy and loyalty even more a thing of the past then it is currently.

Depending on when he signed his contract I believe he could actually buy out his contract if he wanted to. But Im sure the money is more important.
 
Jesus, I think everybody is reading far too much into it. When he says there is no way back, statistically I am sure he is correct and he means it in a rhetorical sense. He never said that he went out there for damage limitation but frankly Villa are a counter-attacking side so if you do chase the game you will get picked off on the break. No manager on Earth could have got our team to recover from that position.

Get a ****ing grip people!
 
Dangerous Marsupial said:
Jesus, I think everybody is reading far too much into it. When he says there is no way back, statistically I am sure he is correct and he means it in a rhetorical sense. He never said that he went out there for damage limitation but frankly Villa are a counter-attacking side so if you do chase the game you will get picked off on the break. No manager on Earth could have got our team to recover from that position.

Get a ****ing grip people!
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Agreed <ok>
 
Iforgotclinteaston said:
If he hated it here so much could he not buy himself out of his contract? Or would it probably cost him way too much?
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Depending on when he signed his last contract he could do. I think it has to be 2 years plus since he last signed a contract as he is over 28. Players rarely do as I'm sure they need the money, but it could be an option if life was so unbearable. It has certainly been done before.
 
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