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One thing I think will get 100% agreement: We are all fooked off and sick to death of not knowing what the future holds. The bits we are going to have different opinions on are: Italian, GFH, Haigh, Farnham or another. Nothing is ideal and it now boils down to which is your preferred evil because none of them are ideal.

My opinion which could be ill judged but will stay with it is Italian
 
Doc ... I agree, and even though I don't want Cellino because he will sack McD and that won't help, I will give him a chance as I have every other Chairman ... imagine if he backed McD, now that would be welcome


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Can I inject a note of optimism here lads, and thats unusual for me. Maybe we'll be looking back in two years from a perch midway up the pl or higher and thanking our lucky stars Cellino came along with a half dozen Italian wingers and strikers. Unlikely I know but lets see
 
Whitejock I am not disputing your post in reply in response to Billy's initial post.

Billy said Haigh had done a certain number of things (now as you say this is what you would expect, or on one or two matters disagree with), and I totally agreed that Haigh had done exactly what Billy said he had done.

On those exact issues, as you pointed out, you expect anyone in his right mind to make the majority of those decisions (I accept that the loan issue is different, and a minimal interest rate, with no set date of repayment would have been viewed in a more positive manner). I can also understand your point about the ladies football team, however given the level of supposed debt that GFH have run up, would that additional £1 million that Haigh "invested" in the ladies team, have made much of a difference. Possibly it could have funded a transfer in, or more likely it would just be used to cover running costs, so our debt would be £1 million lower, in comparison to a feel good factor within the community, with a so called "publicity stunt".

I have no where stated that I like Haigh or want Haigh involved in the club, in fact I would like to think that after the first line of my post, the additional 15 lines I posted afterwards would give a more truer reflection on my feelings towards Haigh.

All I did is agree that Haigh had done the majority of things that Billy says he has done, you confirmed that you would have expected him to do those things, so in that respect he has met your expectations in those matters. Unfortunately, you, like myself probably expected a lot more, and so far we have heard more words than actions, so he has not exactly exceeded those expectations.

I'm guessing from the rebuttal comment, that is more aimed at Billy than myself, as I don't disagree with what you have said.

I agree that he has done the things Billy has said, on the majority of those issues, I agree with yourself that I would have expected him to do those things, with the one or two slight exceptions mentioned above, but I am not going to nit pick over the semantics, but I would have like to think that rather than blowing Haigh's trumpet ( again I presume this is actually aimed at Billy, but just in case I wanted to clarify), the substance of my post, would quite clearly demonstrate I don't want Haigh involved with the club.

Thanks for your post Aski. I mistook your OP for agreeing with Billy's 'Archangels rejoicing for Haigh' standpoint. You're very much coming at it from my point of view. I note that Billy has still to comment, but has seen fit to post on something else in this very thread. A 'hide & it might go away' tactic that might well be employed by the great Tory Boy himself.

Billy, to quote Delia "Where are you. Lets be having you!". (Or are you writing a press release for Tory Boy?).
 
My interpretation of all the people who want Cellino in:

"Oh look at the size of his bank account, we are not worthy, may we please suck your dick Mr Massimo?"
 
My interpretation of all the people who want Cellino in:

"Oh look at the size of his bank account, we are not worthy, may we please suck your dick Mr Massimo?"

Glad you have found your level of debating :emoticon-0137-clapp now get on with your homework like a good boy.
 
My interpretation of all the people who want Cellino in:

"Oh look at the size of his bank account, we are not worthy, may we please suck your dick Mr Massimo?"

I have no words just directions. M11- A14-A1-M62-M621-

About 4 hours and 5 gallons of fuel should anyone be interested. <whistle>
 
No animosity at all ... I love Jock, we both follow The Jags (why I don't know) ... its just that when you disagree with something or don't want a certain person to run the club, don't just blindly point a finger and be dismissive ... let me put it this way, if Cellino was THE ONLY person who ever bid for Leeds, and Haigh was not involved, I think it would be hard to find anyone who would actually support this man ... I worry that intelligent people like Jock, Doc, Eire, Elland etc, all seem to be blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah when these are the VERY Leeds fans I would trust to question Cellino, try and understand if he's right for our club, make sure we don't just give in to a maniac ... the VERY Leeds fans I would have expected to at least stick it to Cellino for his disgraceful behaviour last week, behaviour that was even lower than that of one Kenny Bates ... I am just disappointed that mukkas I count on seem to have lost focus, that's all ... MOT
 
That's right lads, just like the 70s, if you can't find the opposition to fight, fight each other.......
 
LOL. Just me going over the top again, Billy. Part of the 'being a Jock' package. I thought that your piece unnecessarily praised Tory Boy for doing things that most of us would have done. He had a lot of easy choices. He's also buggered us about a bit, especially his Twitter mindfcuks. I see you still haven't responded to my points.

I must be clear about one thing though. Please don't assume I'm in support of any of the prominent TO parties. I really, really don't know what's best for us or what the contenders actually offer us, as I expressed in my 'bottom line' thread.
 
No animosity at all ... I love Jock, we both follow The Jags (why I don't know) ... its just that when you disagree with something or don't want a certain person to run the club, don't just blindly point a finger and be dismissive ... let me put it this way, if Cellino was THE ONLY person who ever bid for Leeds, and Haigh was not involved, I think it would be hard to find anyone who would actually support this man ... I worry that intelligent people like Jock, Doc, Eire, Elland etc, all seem to be blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah when these are the VERY Leeds fans I would trust to question Cellino, try and understand if he's right for our club, make sure we don't just give in to a maniac ... the VERY Leeds fans I would have expected to at least stick it to Cellino for his disgraceful behaviour last week, behaviour that was even lower than that of one Kenny Bates ... I am just disappointed that mukkas I count on seem to have lost focus, that's all ... MOT

I don't think people are blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah Billy, everyones just pissed off with the soap opera, Haigh and is mates have ****ed about for ages now, he's had is chance, and I personally don't want that twat Flowers anywhere near ER, I've read the pro's and cons regarding Cellino, I don't know what to believe, seems like a lot of people on here know him personally, if he wants to buy, he will, we won't have a say, I'm willing to give him a chance
 
LOL. Just me going over the top again, Billy. Part of the 'being a Jock' package. I thought that your piece unnecessarily praised Tory Boy for doing things that most of us would have done. He had a lot of easy choices. He's also buggered us about a bit, especially his Twitter mindfcuks. I see you still haven't responded to my points.

I must be clear about one thing though. Please don't assume I'm in support of any of the prominent TO parties. I really, really don't know what's best for us or what the contenders actually offer us, as I expressed in my 'bottom line' thread.

Are you two really Leeds fans? Never seen a punch up turn into a bromance so quickly. At least one of you must be a closet Wallie.
 
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9153452/hay:-leeds-was-beyond-chaotic?

Anyone seen this from earlier on SSN?

Billy on a personal level I cannot accept Haigh has done anything for the club, which is contrary to what you believe. As for Cellino well i see nobody else out there who can put his hands in his pockets and get us out of this mess. it is a big mess and no amount of local Yorkshire investment consortium's can dig us out of the mess because they're skint. Listen to SSN above and discover just how bad things really are and the situation that GFH and Haigh have left the club in. We're fooked unless we are bought and bought quick
 
No animosity at all ... I love Jock, we both follow The Jags (why I don't know) ... its just that when you disagree with something or don't want a certain person to run the club, don't just blindly point a finger and be dismissive ... let me put it this way, if Cellino was THE ONLY person who ever bid for Leeds, and Haigh was not involved, I think it would be hard to find anyone who would actually support this man ... I worry that intelligent people like Jock, Doc, Eire, Elland etc, all seem to be blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah when these are the VERY Leeds fans I would trust to question Cellino, try and understand if he's right for our club, make sure we don't just give in to a maniac ... the VERY Leeds fans I would have expected to at least stick it to Cellino for his disgraceful behaviour last week, behaviour that was even lower than that of one Kenny Bates ... I am just disappointed that mukkas I count on seem to have lost focus, that's all ... MOT

I dont think anyone of those posters are blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah tho, I think most have said that they have reservations about his being in control, giving his past history, however the one thing we do know, is that he has been in control of a football club for many number of years, and has been fairly successful. Now we have various opinions about how he gets on with the Cagliari fans and the reasons for the club having to move grounds, the issue there is which do you believe. At the weekend I was firmly of the belief that I didnt want this guy at my club, and I would prefer to have one of the other consortiums, however unfortunately I am losing faith with both of those.

Do i want this guy in charge of my club, not really no, the actions over the last weekend suggests that we would have a very volatile time with him in charge.However unfortunately my ideal investor isn't exactly lining up to take over the club, so where does that leave us.

We have

1)a very volatile character, with a vast experience of running a football club, who has the financial wealth to support his goals

2) our present owners, who have 12 months experience of running a football club, and given the situation that numerous individuals/corporations have lent money to the club, it would suggest that they have not got the behind the scenes finances running correctly, and are not in a position to cover such a short fall themselves until whatever initiatives they may wish to set up/or have set up begin to reap a reward. Thus how much more borrowing will be required, and henceforth will those new initiatives actually make a difference, due to the large amount of borrowing the meantime

3) our leading sponsor, together with our present managing director, who despite for the past 2/3 months releasing teaser messages about what they will do once they are in charge, pull out at the 11th hour for one of 2 reasons depending on which version you believe. Both have shown a commitment to the club, but have limited experience of running a football club, and have/had obtained their purchase price by taking numerous investors on board. Given Mr Flowers reaction to the weekend events, what would happen between those said investors in say 12 months time, when they fail to agree on the direction they wish to develop the club, does Mr Flowers throw his dummy out of the pram, and do we continue to get social media messages, telling us of the exciting times ahead, from our MD, prior to some event that throws us into this turmoil again.

4) the other consortium, I have to admit I don't know much about, but so many names have been mentioned as being part of the investment team, that I would be hesitant to feel comfortable that they have the financial means to actually take the club forward, and feel that with either of the 2 consortiums we would soon be in a similar situation again as we find ourselves in now.

Those at present are our 4 realistic options, and whilst at one stage I would have been more than fully supportive of option 2, I think events over the past few weeks has made me question whether the club would progress, especially given that we already seem to have tried the consortium route and whilst I wont say at present that its been an unmitigated disaster, it would appear the situation is a lot worse than any of us imagined.

So 3 of our options include consortiums which many posters on here are wary of, given our previous experience of the same. That unfortunately leaves us only with one other viable option. Yes he appears to be very volatile and a control freak, on the plus side he has experience and yes I will accept the fact that he has wealth behind him, does that cloud my judgement, not one bit.

Do I want him near my club, no I don't, give me another viable option to the above 4 and I will happily cling to it like a newborn child to their mother's breasts, if it keeps Cellino away from the club.

However until that fifth option becomes a reality, then I fear for OUR club. I don't want any of my 4 options involved in the club, but given the choice (not that it is our choice as such), I would prefer the guy who has over 20 years experience of running a football club to be in control, than a bunch of businessmen with little or no experience
 
No animosity at all ... I love Jock, we both follow The Jags (why I don't know) ... its just that when you disagree with something or don't want a certain person to run the club, don't just blindly point a finger and be dismissive ... let me put it this way, if Cellino was THE ONLY person who ever bid for Leeds, and Haigh was not involved, I think it would be hard to find anyone who would actually support this man ... I worry that intelligent people like Jock, Doc, Eire, Elland etc, all seem to be blindly accepting Cellino as the messiah when these are the VERY Leeds fans I would trust to question Cellino, try and understand if he's right for our club, make sure we don't just give in to a maniac ... the VERY Leeds fans I would have expected to at least stick it to Cellino for his disgraceful behaviour last week, behaviour that was even lower than that of one Kenny Bates ... I am just disappointed that mukkas I count on seem to have lost focus, that's all ... MOT
Thing is Billy if Cellino only came onboard very recently and didn't know that much about what's been going on ?.If he had seen the Rochdale and Wendies game then he will have the impression that the Leeds fans hated McDermott and maybe he thought he was doing what we wanted.Easy for an outsider to think that.