"i said quite clearly you can stick your petition where the sun dont shine mate, LUST is way bigger than me or you." And there it is ... a well thought out, constructive response by the Chairman of LUST ... and he wonders why his movement is so unpopular!! GC, you really do need to READ what people are saying ... your responses have been pathetic and shallow, you have yet to help anyone understand why you want a share in Leeds United, you have yet to show proof of "dressing room revolt" and "bringing GFH to the negotiating table with Bates". You see GC, right now the KEY things you have said in the past have all seemed like utter LIES, and this is why people like myself do NOT trust you. The latest "revelation" about a consortium bid has yet again proved disruptive, this time to the actual talks, and angered GFH so much they withdrew their invite to Verity to join them in the Directors Box on Saturday. Now, as a Leeds supporter, this upsets me no end. Why? We don't know exactly what this consortium could bring to the table, maybe they can give McD £20m in January to strengthen, maybe they have a billionaire partner waiting in the wings to swoop in and bankroll the club. Yet because of your utterings to the press these talks are clearly on hold. Please stop trying to sound as if you're connected ... YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT, otherwise GFH wouldn't have reacted so badly to this latest revelation!! If people feed you snippets, do your homework and some research and triple check your info before spouting off, it's embarrassing to LUST and hurting the club. Your intentions so far are at best murky, and you seem to be focused on creating instability ... why? What is your REAL agenda? Forget "Ask Steve" and talking to the Old Bill, that's run of the mill stuff that is EXPECTED of LUST anyway. Who is your mystery backer? How much do you want to raise to buy into the club? Why do you want to buy ER and TA? There is an agenda here, with an endgame in place. Yet you flatly refuse to answer ANY of these questions publicly. You, as Chairman of LUST, owe it to ALL Leeds supporters to make your intentions clear, regardless of their involvement with LUST. The moment you decide to buy into our club, ALL OF US are involved, and we deserve to know what your intentions are ... JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INVESTOR. It's pure hypocrisy when you shout the odds at people like GFH when they buy shares, screaming for "transparency" and "an open agenda". Yet here you are telling people off and basically just mimicking Bates. Makes you wonder!! MODS - please don't merge this with Everything LUST, we deserve to hear Mr Cooper's response and have a serious, focused discussion about LUST's intentions around their buying into our club.
The simplistic view of "just Bates" is truly too simplistic, as you point out. The amalgamation of the policies of Bates - especially the financial fleecing of us fans at a time when wages were stagnanat (ie going down in real terms) and all other costs were also going up - made it impossible for me to continue going to LUFC. Unfortunately, the scenario has continued - costs rising everywhere while wages remain stagnant, and the remaining high prices of LUFC still prevent me from going while I have child costs going through the roof. As a single parent with two lads to support and mortgage, finances are squezed and choices have to be made. Plus my youngest lad is not that interested in football - certainly not in watching it. He's more important than LUFC and I won't compromise the time at weekends that I do get to spend time with him. So yes, Bates and his policies were the catalyst, but right now even if prices were £100 for a season ticket, it is very unlikely I would be going to matches at the moment as I have other commitments I cannot, and am not willing to, compromise. But I am grateful to the LUST bandwagon in helping to get rid of Bates, focusing supporter's ire against him, and also to GFH in steadying the ship. I would like the ship to remain steady and on course, in iceberg-free waters. Onwards and upwards, and I will be back at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. In the meantime, I will fervently support my team from my living room rather than support the opinions of people who claim superiority because they have good-enough circumstances (at the moment - life can be changed quickly) to be able to attend matches in person
I disagree. Please do merge with the LUST stuff, GC has already been on other thread this morning so hell find it
Being an anti-Bates campaigner from day 1, I took stick from a lot of fans because he was seen as the saviour. Over time the mood changed as everyone could see what the old robber was doing, so anti-Bates fans moved to the fore. LUST at the time was a great idea because it was seen as a way of uniting all the disperate groups of fans who were upset by a lot of Bates's tactics and focused attacks. Great stuff like the T-Shirts and ten for ken and Beeston Vegas all came about because of fans getting together. I loved the idea of LUST. Just before the news broke about GFH, we saw GC come out in the press and tell everyone that the players were upset with how things were going. We saw GC come out and say that LUST were involved in putting GFH and the potential new owner together with Bates. This was clearly wrong and had an adverse effect on proceedings, and everyone concerned with the on-off deal denied any involvement of LUST. This was the stage that I lost any use for LUST because they were now seen as a potentially devisive element that has replaced Bates and splits the fans. For years and years we have had a respected supporters club, under the leadership of Ray Fell. Ray was always the go-to guy whenever the media wanted a quote. But over the last couple of years GC has replaced Ray and gives his own version of things, which is sometimes different from the majority view. We should get back to having one voice and believe that's by using the Leeds United Suporters Club, and not LUST. GC has brought LUST into disrepute too many times for me as he likes to give his version, and although that was also my version pre GFH, it isn't now. I respect anyone who wants to be a member of LUST, but its not for me anymore
neither i nor LUST made any claims about GFHC or putting them together. answering this is a total waste of everyones time as you just make stuff up and distort fact and history to suit your anti gary cooper agenda, thats fine if you want to believe it, carry on, it wont make any difference what so ever to the future of LUST or my involvement. criticism is one thing, ignorance is entirely another. enjoy the game tomorow gents
Gary If you stood down has chairman, and wasn't on the telly every day, but still was hugely involved, i think lust can still move forward But it can't until then
come and meet my brother and ask him mate but then that would mean being a real person and brave in the real world, you dont have it in you do you?
Didn't mention you or your brother - it's always me,me,me isn't it! And I'd have no problem with meeting your brother - drug dealing scum deserve all they get
Gary I couldn't give a **** what you look like, and to be honest I don't like the personal abuse you receive. And what I meant is, it's come across has the "Gary cooper" show, and that what a lot of people think, rightly or wrongly. I think lust was going very well, signed up to it, but the past year, there a lot of things which have turned people against lust. You must be able to see that ??? So what I was saying, I personally think you stepping out of the limelight for a bit might help lust. I've nothing against you at all, and think you've come across well on here. But there an unhealthy growth of people who are disliking lust and that's not good
Gary I haven't made it personal, but you just blew my comments off without explaining. You and I both know that there was a media flurry going on with the takeover stuff. You were very prominent in the media, always being asked and giving your version. At one stage you said something on the BBC and it went into print in the YEP where you were claiming to be in the know, and then it turned out that the original bidder (Which wasn't GFH) had pulled out. GFH then went it alone and you had to change your tune. Why dont you compose an open letter regarding everything that has gone on over the last 12-months. Put the record straight, go through the list of accusations made against you and LUST and tell it straight. Make sure you include the stuff published about you or stuff someones said you said etc. That way we will all get a true picture instead of one thats skewed one way or the other depending upon who you talk to. I have an open mind and would love to be proved wrong. But as you've been posting on all the boards recently, it would be a quick cut and paste job and you get to tell the story to all. Gary we fans can't agree on who should be in the team so you will never get a full consencus of opinion on your side, but I would do it, especially if I had proof to back up your claims. You would also get a lot of respect
were doing a podcast, a month by month account of what happened during 2012 mate, the TSB lads are helping and if i get my way it will be done before xmas.
i bet your just the man to give em it too mate, except your just a username, a faceless username on a monitor, sort of makes you look a bit of a gob ****e mate, not my problem though, you keep on hating.
unhealthy they maybe mate but just read back some of the stuff they believe to be true? doesnt matter how many times ive said i dont speak for all leeds fans it just gets repeated over and over and over by those who hate that i do, same for just about everything i or lust do or say. they hate, its that simple, no debate will change that, no telling the story of 2012 will change that, i answer questions honestly and they still hate and re-wrtie what i have said to suit and feed their hate, all nameless and faceless. there is no win situation with me or without me so we will keep on doing what we have done since 2009 until its time for me to dissapear back into N12 as the gary cooper i aways was before all this started, until then haters will hate.
http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/buy-stuff/ For all your LUST merchandise and to fill Gary's pockets. http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/storage/lust_change.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1348009701613 I'm at a loss with this one though! What change!?! Financial Clout is all GFH lack and I'm very happy with how things are.
Gary thats the way forward mate. I would get a list of stuff that you have supposed to have said, and then show the actual footage, or recording. There can then be no doubt, no ifs buts or maybe's. 2012 was started with a high and collapsed as far as LUST are concerned. In some ways I think you need to do a proper PR blitz, as the co-op bank are going to have to do. You put the record straight and then tell everyone what the aims and objectives and beneifits are of being part of LUST. Brilliant and I hope you can sort it out mate. You will get a load of aplologies, and a lot of backing from the sceptics like me. The problem you've got is that you have no media experience and the media used you for their own ends. Not having a go but it was always going to backfire as some fans would see you of seeking the limelight and being a media whore. You need to use the media for your own ends and you've probably learned that the hard way, but at the end of the day most of the guys on the board of LUST including yourself are normal working Joe's who dont speak to the media. Either get some training or use someone else who has media savvy. Classic case was UKIP as they were always seen as a racist, thugish offshoot of BNP. Nigel Farage has them sorted because he makes the media work for him, so Joe public sees the great side of UKIP and now have the other parties worried.
your not the first to say that and as a board we know our limitations but have to work within them, i would dearly love someone else to be chucked in front of a microphone every time something LUFC breaks and as i said way back i turned down national media requests satruday before last because it was clear what i was saying was being edited out. we might have a more experienced person doing some of the media stuff for us in the new year particularly the fan share scheme project which by then we should be in a position to take to our members and the wider fan base who want to contribute to canvass opinion? we'll see.
